posted Mon, 11/12/2012 - 09:13
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+ 7 HUMAN-GROWTH-HORMONE-HGH.NET Kigtropin The WHOLE Story - Proof of Fraud
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WARNING - PROOF OF FRAUD My baseline IGF-1 test drawn on 8/30/12 and a follow-up drawn 1 month later after dosing at 1.2 IU/Day (6 on - 1 off). IGF-1 increased from 123 to only 159. The increase should have been much more if the product was legitimate so I increased the dosage to 3 IU/Day and did follow-up testing on 12/12/12 (still only 173) which confirmed the product is bogus. Just to erase any possible doubt, I ordered Riptropin from another source (mutagenic.co) - reduced dosage to 2 IU/Day for one month and re-tested on 1/10/13 (Bingo! 243 - at 1/3 lower dose!!!) DO NOT ORDER FROM HUMAN-GROWTH-HORMONE-HGH.NET unless you have money to throw away and unlimited time to waste.
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Good looking out bro!! +1
Thanks... He looks like he's gone now but I'll lay odds he's up on here under at least one other handle. Bottom line... Buy from sources that have a lot of karma vouching for them!!!
+1 for posting labs and creating a great discussion. This is what Eroids is all about. I hope you are healing up well.
Thanks... Doing much better - Especially with the good HGH and all the help I've gotten from Eroids and advice/comments from members. Hope to be back on the road and weights next week!
Pathfinder thanks for the follow up and spending your hard earned money for the retests.
No prob... Thanks to you and the others who helped me through the process. Hope it keeps someone else from sending their money to this rip-off asshole.
IGF-1 by itself is not a good indicator of HGH quality. IGF-1 can be influenced by many factors, especially in the small degree of change your are seeing. Increase in protein, vigorous activity. I'm not quite as old as you, I'm 51. My IGF-1 on 5iu of Kigtropin with other AAS was at 260. This was during my first EBC here.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/bloods-ehp-kigs-centrino-cyp-centrino-deca
You're right... IGF-1 can be influenced by the factors you mentioned but keep in mind that these factors influence HGH as well. In fact, it is the influence on HGH levels that cause the change in IGF-1. Therefore, IGF-1 is still as accurate as HGH in testing.
The small degree of change I am seeking (a rise in IGF-1 from 123 at baseline to approximately 350) is much larger than possible with indirect methods such as strenuous exercise, increased protein consumption, and supplements such as arginine and branched chain amino acids. At my age (64), my baseline IGF-1 (123) was the result of all those influences including riding a bike 200 miles/week, strength training, and supplementation.
One month prior to switching to Mutagenic's Riptropin, I had a bad bike crash. I broke 9 ribs (some in two places), broke my shoulder blade, separated my shoulder, and partially collapsed my right lung. Needless to say, all exercise ceased! The results I got with Muta's Rips was in SPITE of these pro-HGH/IGF-1 influences being halted!
All in all, I believe this series of IGF-1 tests are an excellent indicator of the quality of the Riptropin I received from Mutagenic and the stark difference between the two products I was using during the test sequence.
Can't find the studies directly but i have read many times that IGF-1 testing alone is not a valid indicator for HGH deficiency. It should always be tested in conjunction with other protocols. But if all your looking for is IGF-1 increase cause your life wellness extender Dr has convinced you of this enjoy!
I guess it really got a lil off the topic of yes, the Riptropin is good HGH. Sorry!
Hey, no apology needed. I appreciate your input. I have studied anti-aging research since 1984 but am always open to new or different ideas. I WISH I could find a doc in my area who know even a little about HGH! The best info I've found has been from several books on the subject: Grow Young with HGH by Dr. Ronald Klatz, Bio-Identical Hormones and Telomerase by Dr. Edmund Chein, and The Life Extension Revolution by Dr. Phillip Lee Miller. I'm an anti-aging coach and have had good results with my clients using these methods. My lack of experience is in the use of these non-pharmaceutical sources of HGH and comparable dosages. It looks to me like even the best of the non-pharmaceutical sources are lower dosed than pharmaceuticals but the price difference more than makes up for the gap. (If we're not victims of a scam)! The tests I did (above) don't pertain to all Kigs - Only to the version I got from this scam artist. Not being able to afford pharmaceuticals forces me to take my chances here... Many many thanks to you and everyone else here on eroids who have offered advice and guidance. I really do appreciate it. If you can find the sources of the HGH vs IGF-1 testing info, I would appreciate your letting me know.
I have been having good results with sermorellin with ghrp6 I don't have a blood work back it up yet but I know how I feel my diet has not changed and to be perfectly honest it's not very good but since I started taking the Summerlin my body fat has been melting of my stomach I am seeing abs for the first time in my life granted I am running aas but have been running a test prior to starting the sermorellin so the only change was that and I am sleeping better and just feel better I am completely amazed and how the fact is melting of my stomach I've been on it for a little over 2 months I didn't start noticing a fax until after about a month and a half
You're young enough that you may be getting all the HGH increase you need by stimulating your own production but at my age, it's usually necessary to go all the way and inject HGH. Your method is slightly less likely to produce significant sides so is a bit safer.
AnonGreat info and thank you for the dilligence.
A question though, why did you chose to measure IGF-1 levels and not Growth Hormone Syrum ?
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkHGH levels in the blood have a very short half life and are unstable but HGH causes the liver to produce another hormone, IGF-1 which is much more stable. Because of its stability, IGF-1 test timing is not critical. Also, most anti-aging research is calibrated using IGF-1 levels so, for my purpose (anti-aging), it makes the most sense to use IGF-1.
Even at only 1.2 IU a day dose the increase in IGF-1 is very weak. At your age of 64 your starting # of 123 is not even in the 50th centile range of a 65 yr old and the modest 36 point jump although a jump of 30% between the 2 numbers is very far from the 97.5th centile of a 65 yr old which is 209. You jumped to the 68th centile. If your target is the 97.5th centile of 25-30yr olds which is 343 to 309 you won't get there at the dose your using and I also think the HGH you are using is weak or not present. Let me explain why. As an example another blood test is posted. The base IGF-1 level was 175. Using a dose 67% more than you at 2iu a day his IGF-1 #'s were 340 an increase in IGF-1 of 194% over his base number a 165 point jump. His #'s jump were 458% higher than yours with just a modest 67% increase in dose which was 8/10ths of an IU more. He is already at the 25-30 yr old #'s that you are trying to obtain. Now my point is that 67% increase in dose isn't what got him there it's the quality of the HGH he's using.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/igf-1gh-lab-results-after-1-month-on-mutas-rips
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/23208/igfranges.PNG
Thanks for your comments. You may be right. 165 point jump in IGF-1 with a daily dose of 2 IU is more what I expected. The only way I can confirm is to compare tests on myself with another source/product. I'm waiting on an order of Riptropin from Muta to run my followup tests and will post here as soon as available. Thanks again for your input.
Are you sure the rise from 123 to 159 couldn't be your body doing it's normal thing?
Like the others said, you should go for the HGH Serum test next time and shoot about 4 hours before you give the blood so your HGH serum will be at its peak.
IGF-1 is very stable and is a solid indirect measure for HGH. It is the test most docs order to justify a scrip for HGH. My level increased nearly 30 percent in 4 weeks with a modest 1.2IU/day dosage so I am confident that the product is legit. This is the standard for anti-aging purposes and is preferred specifically because serum HGH tests are so time sensitive. I truly appreciate the advice but I don't fit the norm on this site because I am not cycling and am using an IGF-1 target of 300 to 350 as my guide for dosing. This target is the standard for males in the anti-aging arena. To confirm, I have now increased my dosage and will retest on a regular basis.
JohnnyBlackwait im confused... if your doing HGH why wouldnt you get your hgh levels checked instead of IGF1
Serum HGH is very short lived so it is not a very reliable test for establishing dosage but IGF-1 production in the liver is increased when HGH is increased. IGF-1 is much more stable so it is a better test since it doesn't vary much during a 24 hour period. IGF-1 is an indirect but more accurate way of establishing HGH dosage. For anti-aging purposes, target IGF-1 levels are about 300 for females and 350 for males. Those levels coincide with healthy levels for a 25 to 35 year old which is the optimum for us old farts!
AnonWell for hgh testing i would inject right before the test..... after running hgh for a bit... my2cent
That works too but it really depends on your goals. For anti-aging purposes, we don't cycle so we are looking for a stable IGF-1 reading over months of time and then we maintain that level based on an annual blood test. We may have to adjust the dosage a bit as we get older. We also test other hormones like testosterone, DHEA, TSH, T4, T3, rT3, and estradiol annually with targets in the optimal 25 to 35 year old range. All of these hormones can be affected by raising HGH.
AnonGood post, im sure some of the vets will chime in soon.