+ 1 Giving Advice...
I spend a lot of my time here in the cycle logs. I try to do what I can to keep the newer guys from makng the same bad decisions I did. I want them to be able to make informed decisions and do so as safely as possible. Overall, I'm trying to help, and there are a good handfull of knowledgable and active fellas doing the same.
Now, lately, some of the newer guys have been stepping up to the plate to help as well. I think I speak for most of us that give our time to this place when I say this: We appreciate your concern and willingness to pitch in. After all, that's what it should be about. With a selfish attitude, this place would not be what it is today.
With that being said, I must say that I've also been noticing some things that I feel are counterproductive towards the overall goal. Two things in particular:
1) When the OP is asking questions, I agree that stats and history need to be disclosed. Those pieces of information play a huge role in the quality of information needed. BUT, the way some of this is being asked of the OP is not the best way.. The goal should be to encourage them to make better choices if needed, and we definitely want them to be receptive to the advice being given. We don't want to frustrate them and/or scare them off.
reminds me of something that i heard in a communications seminar once: when dealing with someone, it's like looking in a mirror. if you yell at the other person, the other person will yell back. If you smile at the person in it, it will smile back at you.
the moral of the story is that whatever emotion you show to someone is most likely going to be reciprocated and most likely not proportionately. the goal is to hopefully have the person receiving our information to be receptive to it, not closedminded. out of frustration or the feeling of being rediculed, the OP may very well throw his hands up and walk away. then go on to do it his way, which my be the wrong move for him.
2) In some instances, people such as myself and others will have spent hours and sometimes even days with the OP trying to get them on track. If you come to a thread and see that someone has given a good chunk of time and provided some good information, show that person the courtesy and respect of letting their hard work do what it was intended for. I have seen a few instances lately where people have taken the time to cover most, if not all, the bases with the beginner's cycle and someone will come on the scene after it's all said and done with and try to supercede that advice and give an alternate mindset. If the advisor is needing clarification or missing something in their posts, add to it, but show them the respect for their hard work by not jacking the thread and trying to rob them of everything they had invested in the OP. By doing so, it's almost as though you're saying you don't value their advice, which may be viewed as being disrespectful to some.
The overall goal here is to help one another make informed decisions, whether it be with selecting a source or with constructing and carrying out a cycle plan. A lot of wisdom floating around in here. Without tapping into it and/or being cohesive, this site wouldn't be what it is or remain the way it is. So, not to criticise anyone.. But let's work together here and watch this place and the people in it grow.
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good post brother. I' on my lunch break so I just wanted to stop by and make sure my hunny boo boo isn't still mad at me from our miscommunication last night. anyways I spend a lot of time reading on here and not giving my share of advise(which I'm working on) I feel people wouldn't respond well to advise because my karma. keep up the good work tho. a lot of people appreciate what your doing here. not everybody takes into consideration all the free time and research you guys have to put in to help them. so from now on I will be running through threads and elbow dropping ungrateful hoes. that's all back to work
How much karma you have us irrelevant. There's plenty if guys on here with hardly any karma whose knowledge is fantastic.
If you've got solid, rounded experience let's get you involved.
x2 - first hand experience and knowledge is huge. If you know what you're talking about don't hold back.
AnonLol. It's all good brutha. And I got ur honey boo boo right here you fugger you.
Good debate going on in here and i am sure you guys will sort it out and create your own dynamic just as tread and myself did when the two of us worked as a team in cycles for a good long time.. it wont take you long to suss out who knows what they are talking about and who is just parroting or talking pure shite!.... i will leave you guys to find these people out then call em out if you feel you need to.
Things have changed slightly and yes we have new people giving advise... do not get frustrated guys it wont take long to seperate the wheat from the chaff.. and were bullshit karma is being thrown around the MODS are watching that like hawks believe me.
Regarding the bus load of 20 somethings that have arrived and ALL want the tren train experience... do has we did in the past and just kick them to the curb, they will do what the fuck they want anyway so dont let that affect your better judgements... choose posts that have a sensible sounding OP and give them your best!... those are the ones i find give the most personal satisfaction when all advise re.. cycle/diet/training all comes together and brings the desired results for the OPs... those guys will then love you forever for putting them on the right tracks and keeping them safe as a bonus.
Hope this little ditti helps some and thanks for reading and doing all your great work here at eroids.
Thanks guys .... viking
AnonThanks bro. I appreciate your encouragement an support, as I'm sure most of us that plug in do.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAlways good to hear your council Big V.
Thanks.. we need you in there big time Mr SDM... your info is golden, anybody call you i will kick the fuck outta them lol...lol seriously i mean that
Things have changed in the cycles section, some of the familiar faces have gone and the effect is that some other members have joined in to fill the void, which is great but it has changed the dynamic. It also opens up an opportunity to seek karma by offering advice when you're not necessarily best placed to offer it.
I'll be honest, I'm kind of tired of hearing the same old bollocks from people that don't have a clue, and I'm definitely guilty of bring more blunt recently (tren????) than I usually am. Last night i ran into a cycle with 3 orals in it. I informed the op it was ridiculous, only to receive a smart arse comment in return.
There are too many people diving in giving advice they are in no position to offer. This isn't a game to win karma, these are serious illegal drugs we mess with. There's some irresponsible people diving in which has made me back off. I'm not going to be a part of repeatedly giving cycle advice to young 'uns. I have a scientific background which makes me look at things in a "safety first" manner.
Maybe certain members are positioned as cycle advisors? Just an idea.
UPnSMOKEWithout sounding like a groupie SDM but Your mindset is fucking awesome. No Sugar coating it at all. I'm new here but definitely not a noob or inexperienced. In the few days I've been here I've read plenty of the rules and stickies especially the one about giving advice in forums. Stats, history, goals. Some guys ask for it and most don't from what I've seen lately. Knowing a persons age height weight and bF will completely change the dynamic of the advice given. I mean completelyif advice is even continued given after learning the stats. There was a sentence in that sticky where the writer mentions something about reading in between the lines. That's huge! Intuition and the ability to look for inconsistencies or even when someone shares a different story after you call them on something. There was a guy last night who listed his stats and was 177lb and after I told him he needed to get better at diet and training before using gear all of a sudden that weight was old and he's now 185.
I haven't been here long enough to know who is who and all that but status or this level thing means zero. Advice for young guys should always start in the kitchen then the gym then research. Give them have enough time to prove their dedication and then maybe some cycle advice can come after that. At least that's my thought process. I'm nobody worth a damn around here but I sure don't have any issues with being as real as it gets. I've learned over time being nice and trusting only bites you in the ass.
Cheers mate, appreciate it.
Just need to be consistent, all of us.
Don't give up on us mate. You give some of the best advise on this forum. It would be nice to have a more general rule that under 25's don't get advise as freely as they do. There seems to be a blurred line that if they say they have already cycled before, it's ok to give them a cycle now.
My train of thought on it is that you could just be repeating the same mistakes of the past and should be advised otherwise.
I hear you buddy.
Gotta love the Tren bro!
AnonI agree with you bro. It def gets frustrating some times, and the dynamics have def changed.. Overall, and for me, it's the ones that are receptive and thankful that make it worth the effort. I'd just hate to see mixed signals given or people ran off.
I also believe a couple of recent ops have been "suspicious" to say the least. Some shenanigans going on IMO.
Have you noticed how all of a sudden everyone is 23 ish and wanting to run tren?
Anonyes, i have.. they've clearly not looked in the forums much. doesn't take long to see the consensus here on tren
you give good advice tho, bro. so, don't let the few bad apples stop you from doing that.
The goal is to get it right...offer specific advice which experienced forum members all agree upon so the OP doesn't get confused or disheartened. Our aim is to make the cycles section as welcoming as possible, so that OP comes back time and time again to ask questions in a place where he/she knows that they will get advice which they can rely on...its teamwork.
Anonnow i feel like i may have gone off on a tangent... this is a much more concise version of what i meant.