posted Tue, 01/01/2013 - 12:43
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Finishing Test E with Prop, possibly masteron?
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So, I know this stuff is out there kinda, but my question was more with the Mast P.
I had 20ml of 300/ml test e, and I've been running that at 500mg / week. So in theory I should get 12 weeks but learning about loss, maybe a little less. Anyway, I've been thinking of filling the gap between the last shot and PCT with 150 eod test p, for like weeks 12-14. While ordering my test p I threw some mast p in there for possibly next cycle (or whatever). Can I run that too to maybe drop some water prior to PCT? Or should I hold off on the mast and just do the test p, then PCT like 3 days after last shot of test p? Thanks!
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AnonI'm a lil late in replying back to the comments of my first post. I wanted to put it at the top so that it is not overlooked.
Brambo suggested that masteron be a part of every cycle, including the first. I strongly disagree with this. Also not sure what you meant brambo:
but neither masteron nor an AI will do anything for prolactin levels.. You need a prolactin inhibitor for this.. Masteron is a great compound. I love it. First cycle: no. At this point, we're still trying to learn how we react to compounds. Test only brother.. Masteron will have some estrogen lowering benefits, BUT so will your AI. Masteron should NOT be viewed as an alternative to an AI. You will spwnd less on the AI anyway. An AI should ALWAYS be part of your cycle. First cycle, an you still don't know what your sweet spot is for your AI. You want to control the estrogen, not nuke it. No masteron brother. Save it for another time.
SuperDbag got you covered tho.
Wise advice. Brambo, Mr Tren Connoisseur, is somewhat exceptional I think...the saying don't try this at home kids applies...lol.
yup
Still appreciate the follow up. And yes I know what you mean with nuking it. Don't worry I'm not gonna run 1mg letro 
I like having a libido. and of course I'm gonna do things as discussed with SuperDbag. 1-12 test e. 12-14 test p 100mg eod, then 14-18 pct. then 18 week break. 8 weeks after pct finishes I'll do my bloods just for the heck of it. I actually have bloods with everything except estro from maybe a month before cycle. so I will have some comparison.
Anongood deal. i am a proponent to the test prop taper for first timers. gives you an opportunity to experience eod pinning as well as provide a steady flow during a time when serum levels are dropping rapidly, which avoids the crash.
you should run labs week 7 also. this way you know where your e2 levels are during cycle and can make any necessary adjustments. plus, you can see where your test serum levels are from the gear. always nice to know your gear is working , and even better to post for everyone to know who's gear gave you those levels.
yeah privatemdlabs is pretty cheap. if I had known I definitely would do one. I think I might do one in maybe a week or two before my test E runs out. see how the erase is holding up for my estradiol. I haven't had any estro side effects, but I did start using erase at maybe week 5-6 at 75mg / day. I was gonna see if I could do the whole 12 weeks without an AI just to see if I was prone, but why bother?
Anoni'm not familiar with erase. let us know how the labs come back. i def wouldn't try to wing it just to see if you're gyno prone... easier to control at the forefront than to correct the occurrence, IMO
I'm assuming you've at least seen it. It's a legal supplement AI. I found a forum with some blood work that seemed to suggest it did its job for a guy on a large amount of test (and not the t-nation one, I'm somewhat sketchy of that site). he was doing like 1000mg / week and was only slightly over on estradiol with an OTC. it's made by PES. and yeah I decided I shouldn't wing it anyway. I mean if it suddenly gets way out of hand I'm not gonna control it in a day or two, and I don't want to end up in some surgery required situation.
Anongood idea
Look man...I am not trying to be an asshole, but first cycle I see....please plan better next time. Get post-PCT bloods 8 weeks after end of this PCT, now if you've recovered, then pick a start date (but remember time on = time off, so if you ran a 12 weeker, that's 18 weeks off); got a start date??..then you count the weeks of your cycle on a calendar, mark your last pin and then count the days till your PCT. I see below that you haven't been keeping track, well this is how you do it...it'll go better next time
NOW...you can run the prop between your last test E shot and your start of PCT. As a matter of fact, I highly recommend it even for a first timer...gives you practice at pinning and using different inject sites, as well as you're going to feel much better physically and mentally between your last long ester shot and PCT.
It doesn't look like you're being an asshole, just overly lengthy. Lol you could have said stick with just the prop, keep better track, and get bloods :-) thanks though I might have taken that the wrong way. I appreciate ALL feedback.
HAHAHA...that's just me, as I was just trying to be thorough, lol.
Also, how are you coming up with 18 weeks? I have 12 test e, plus 2 prop. That's 14. Or are you including 4 weeks pct? So 18 weeks after pct is done?
You got it...12 weeks of the cycle + the 2 weeks between end and PCT + the 4 weeks of PCT = 18 weeks. It's the going standard...get bloods though too, it's the real proof that gives you the green light to start again. Now obviously you'll get bloods at 8 weeks after PCT, so that's 14 weeks since the end of your cycle...might as well give yourself the other 4 weeks to get prepped...start loading up on protein/supps, stocking the freezer, and other 'gear'(accessories) for the cycle.
Now I'm assuming you're counting the two weeks of prop as "the two weeks between end and pct"? Sorry. Since you're wordy I'm gonna get the most out of you lol
wordy, lol.
answer is yes, lol.
Six word reply. I have distilled your essence.
Edit, and thanks so much. Can you recommend where to do labs or is that not allowed? They're pretty expensive huh
www.privatemdlabs.com
Depends on the state of your residence though.
can I just go to my doctor and have him run a lab on me through insurance? lol or is that kind of weird?
Bro...the only reason I'd hesitate to do this that insurance companies have access to your medical records including lab tests. No reason for some anomalous stuff to come up and be questioned...it might have unpredictable impact your coverage. Privatemdlabs is anonymous and inexpensive considering.
okay fair enough. I can afford it anyway
I guess the best one would be the female hormone panel? Gets me estrogen, LH, serum test,
Good bang for the buck and includes FSH as well. If you're in the middle of they cycle they'll just show below normal levels - meaning your shut down, no biggie. Anyway, it would've been nice get some readings before the cycle so you have a baseline post-pct to compare with and see that you've fully recovered. The only thing with privatemdlabs is they don't show the exact number for test, but generally anything over 1500 means you got legit test. The estrogen readings should be in check on cycle as well, then you know your AI is working. After PCT maybe a couple of weeks to months you'd better check it again...though if I'm getting a new PCT stack from a new source I might take 1 earlier test after PCT to check the PCT stack is working, specifically looking at LH and FSH. You might know all this sht...just regurgitating in case.
I have some of that stuff from pre-cycle. I def had real low test. this site is pretty cheap. now I live in a state they don't service, but could I technically just drive across the border and do my tests in another state and have them send results to me?
I believe there are other services that do this in states like MA, NY, NJ as example (don't say where ur from btw). What I've heard people do is use a friends address in a bordering state and then just go ahead and take the tests in their states. From my experience, your ID is never checked anyway at the lab. The results are online so nothing to mail to you. Or I suppose you might drive across the border too if that's convenient, but I haven't heard people doing that.
I know a few people in NJ that roll over to PA to get tests, lol.
there u go
someone who isn't me may be in a similar situation soon.
I'm just gonna try that. 59 bucks is ten bucks more than my copay anyway lol. I'll call their number an ask otherwise I'll look for another service or maybe privatemdlabs can even recommend one. Thanks guys.
PM me to get a discount code for 15% off. It'll save a little more.
I have some of that stuff from pre-cycle. I def had real low test. this site is pretty cheap. now I live in a state they don't service, but could I technically just drive across the border and do my tests in another state and have them send results to me?
hell yeah, go for it...I would if I had better insurance!!
Yeah. So you kinda recommend doing prop before pct? I wish I had logged better. But I never thought about the waste so to speak. Or the possibility of a broken vial or something. I'm looking forward to prop. I already pin my arms too. I'm no stranger to it. I kinda prefer Delta and triceps. Real easy, except they get sore sometimes.
yeah, prop taper. all you really need is 100mg EOD...eases the transition coming off. I know there are some folks on here that will disagree with me promoting the use of prop for a first-time cycler, as it kinda is another additional compound...but it's test, just like E...albeit I know they are different compounds, but two weeks of pinning EOD will not hurt, in fact it can only help.
My first cycle I kinda was unprepared and all too...all I really did was start and then I forgot when I started, so then later on I ended up guesstimating and counted the weeks from there, lol. It was around 12 weeks
Ever since then I jot everything down on a calendar, all detailed and shit...pretty much like a cycle log/report.
Great work bro! All points perfect
HEY BUDDY!!! Yep...I'm working here, lol!!! I appreciate the acknowledgement!
The way I was looking at it is the test is going to be slowly driving down over time for that period anyway. maybe it's a little more harsh due to how quick the prop leaves, but I'll be hitting the pct anyway. idk I'm just starting to gain great. honestly I can't tell you how much I've been eating. it's like constant. It's a serious dedication. I definitely didn't eat enough in the beginning.
If I understand correctly, that's the whole point...as the long ester clears, you are easing your body back into acclimating more smoothly than such the harsh drop after the clear...that's why the taper is the shit, lol.
okay. Taper. Which is why I do 100 eod. that puts me at like 350 a week til pct.
AnonFirst cycle = no masteron. Prop is ok but try to get something with little to no pip and make sure you know your injection sites for good rotation. Proper pins also... Dot stick an inch and a half pin in the smaller muscles of the quads or delts. Curious to know how you managed 500 mg a week with a 300mg/ml strength...
.83 per shot is 250. So each week I hit 1.66 or 1.67. That's 1+2/3 of 300. 2/3 times 300 is 200. 200+300 =500 lol. I'm a noon. I'm not straight up dumb. Lol
What's your ai?? Pct?
I have enough nolva and clomid for the standard pct (nolva I think is 40/40/20/20), and clomid I think the 100/100/50/50. I've been using pes erase on the cycle just for the hell of it (saw some labs on another forum of a guy who used it successfully all cycle), and I have some aromasin also if I really need it. I haven't had any estro side effects, if anything the erase murders my libido sometimes.
There's been a few fans of erase. Clomid/nolva stack...you got it! Thanks...just checking you have it.
I think they're 20's and fifties. so I take two of each the first two weeks and one of each the next two weeks I think. You know it's funny, because I ordered my PCT haphazardly. I was like ohhh I'll order two of these and three of these. and it came out almost exact. I'll have a couple left.
I should have answered you "well, I wanted to use mast as my AI for PCT."
Oh jeeze! I woulda had aggro melt. Lol! Too many guys ran that route this year and then needed gyno/esto advice. I like it better when dudes come back bigger n happy. Lol
stats? and what number cycle is this for u?
first cycle sir. I'm 190, about 17% now, 5'10. I'm gonna run at least the prop if I get it in time. I'm really not sure about the mast though. two weeks kind of seems like a waste.
mast is pointless at such a high bf, and yes 2 weeks is a waste, finish your cycle and save it for the next one
yeah I'm not trying to drop body fat on cycle really this time. I'm just packing on the muscle. and it's pretty awesome. I figured I'd have it so I might as well ask, but I was pretty sure it wouldn't be worth it.
I've been researching a little though and it's definitely something I want to try. I'm hoping I can get below 15 before the next cycle, and I think that should be easy. One thing I've gotten so much cleaner is my diet in the last couple months. I can't say it's perfect, but it's 150% better than its ever been.
AnonUsing the prop taper, as long as your diet and training is dialed in, you will start loosing the water weight as the Enan levels start to fade.
Yea there are some benefits, but you won't really see meaningful external changes manifest themselves unless the BF is lower. Must agree, save your powder for now.