+ 1 8th cycle, 4th in the past 3 years - Sust, EQ, Var & HGH
37 years old
5'9
195lbs
12%BF
I've been training consistently for about 15 years but had to take some time off recently to recover from surgery to repair a tear of my left hip labrum, followed by surgery to repair a sports hernia, and then a broken wrist.
My goal is to add 15 lbs of muscle and drop 5 lbs of fat, bringing my BF back to 10% or less. The goal is to add back the lean mass I lost during my recent time off. I plan to start this cycle in about 4 weeks.
Concerns - I've always run Sustanon twice a week but from what I've read here, running it M,W,F, is more effective. If that's the case, am I better off running Test Enanthate with EQ so they can both be run twice a week? Or, what's the best approach for stacking Sust and EQ if the Sust is run M,W,F? I've got 300 & 600 mg/ml EQ.
All advice and input is greatly appreciated!
| Week | Sustanon | Eq | HGH | Anavar | HCG | Arimidex | Clomid | Nolvadex | Test Prop | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 525mg | 1200mg | 4iu | |||||||
| 2 | 525mg | 1200mg | 4iu | 0.25E3D | ||||||
| 3 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 0.25E3D | ||||||
| 4 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 0.25E3D | ||||||
| 5 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 0.25E3D | ||||||
| 6 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 0.25E3D | ||||||
| 7 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 0.25E3D | ||||||
| 8 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 500UI | 0.25E3D | |||||
| 9 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 500UI | 0.25E3D | |||||
| 10 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 500UI | 0.25E3D | |||||
| 11 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 500UI | 0.25E3D | |||||
| 12 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 80mg/ | 500UI | 0.25E3D | ||||
| 13 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 80mg/ | 500UI | 0.25E3D | ||||
| 14 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 80mg/ | 500UI | 0.25E3D | ||||
| 15 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 80mg/ | 500UI | 0.25E3D | ||||
| 16 | 525mg | 900mg | 4iu | 80mg/ | 500UI | 0.25E3D | ||||
| 17 | 4iu | 80mg/day | 500UI | 0.25E3D | 100 EOD | |||||
| 18 | 4iu | 80mg/day | 500UI | 0.25E3D | 100 EOD | |||||
| 19 | 4iu | 80mg/day | 500UI | 0.25E3D | 100 EOD | |||||
| 20 | 4iu | 100mg | 20mg | 12.5EOD | ||||||
| 21 | 4iu | 100mg | 20mg | 12.5EOD | ||||||
| 22 | 4iu | 50mg | 10mg | 6.25EOD | ||||||
| 23 | 4iu | 50mg | 10mg | 6.25EOD |
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One last thing i think u should change is the var, instead of 8 weeks cut it down to 6 weeks at a higher dosage
Thanks! Is that because you believe 6 weeks at say, 80mgs/day will yield better results or is it because of mild liver toxicity concerns? The reason I ask is because I've run var at this dose and length and have had no issues getting my bloodwork back to normal shortly after completion of the cycle. I've never run var above 60mgs/day so I've been curious how I would respond to a shorter duration, higher dose var cycle.
i'm not so worried about liver toxicity with var, some liv52 and you'll be just fine, but i do think you'll get better results with say 80mg
I was hoping you'd say that
I've adjusted my var to 6 weeks @ 80mgs/day. Thanks again for all the great advice. I appreciate it.
Im curious but could you explain as to why you start you HCG so late in the cycle?
Good question and I went back and fourth on this... I was going to start earlier and run it longer but my preference has always been to run as little HCG as possible. This 8 week protocol has worked well for me in past cycles so I decided to stick with it. Any other thoughts on my HCG dosing guys? Should I begin earlier? Should I adjust my dosing? All input appreciated! Thanks!
I totally agree with you on using as sparingly as possible, your body will acutally stop responding to it if you use it long enough with high doeses. I would just see how the atrophy hits you and go from there man. Unless you have used these compounds before and know how to handle it.
Id move the var so it connects to 2 days before pct. Adex is a lil strong but is that your sweet spot? Like the layout...simple...effective.
Just noticed!! Sust is 21 days til pct...eq is 17-21 so both can actually end at same time or hit 2nd dose of the sust half week after the eq to give a lil clearance.
I've had minor gyno issues in the past, which was why I was thinking of starting adex at 0.5E3D. That said, it probably makes more sense to start at .25E3D and see how it goes. I can always increase as needed.
To your point about Sust EQ, what do you think if I just run the EQ one more week? Thanks again for all your input!
The change in eq looks nice. As its tapering out of system the sust will keep sex drive up. If you had gyno issues then run it in your sweet spot. If joints get achy then you can adjust down. Run the dex til pct because hcg converts too. If estro is a concern take a look into aromasin. It wont release the estro. Layout looks good though. +1
Great point about running the adex up til pct... I always do but didn't account for it correctly on this cycle
Thanks for pointing that out. Regarding the gyno issues, they were minor so I decided to start at .25 E3D and work my way up if needed. Thanks again for all the advice. I appreciate it!
AnonCycle looks awesome I love Sustanon it will be my next cycle! You will like this if you haven't done it before. The only thing I would change is I would only go 6 weeks on the Var unless you know you're ok at that length. Good luck and +1
Thanks for the feedback! I've run Var 8 weeks twice in the past and my bloodwork always returned to normal using ALA @ 1000mg/day and some mike thistle. I plan to do the same here.
how are you getting your eq dose to 500 btw? most eq comes in 300mg/ml and very few that comes in 200mg/ml
i'd dose it at 600 if you can, and up the var to at least 70mg, and as for the hgh the minimum is 6 months..
Anonthere are several sources on here that carry 400-500 and 600mg per ml of EQ.
never seen the 500...but i still think he should go with 600 PW
Thanks! If I up the EQ to 600, what are your thoughts on bumping up my Sust to at least the same? If I should increase, I can use Kalpa Sustaxyl 350 and up my test dosing to 700/wk without the need for a scientific calculator
I've always kept my test dosing at 600 or less with good results, which is why I planned to run both at 500mg/wk. Any thoughts?
If u gain well on 500 i see no reason to change it
Just to clarify on your recommendation to up the EQ to 600mg/wk, keeping the Sust at 500mg/wk would be sufficient? The consensus seems to be 600 EQ/wk which is what I will do; just want to confirm my Sust dose would still be enough. Thanks again.
yessir the sust can stay at 500
Great! I think my cycle is all set. Many of the tweaks I made to his cycle were based on your feedback. Thanks again for all the advice. I really appreciate it!
No problem! Happy growing brother!
AnonGood question... I've not yet seen eq in anything but 300 and 400, and I wanna say I've seen it in 600. Only thing I've seen at 100-200 is bold ace, which technically is not EQ.
Good observation..
yup ive seen all of those but nothing that could add up to 500..
Anon1 cc of eq 300 and 1/2 cc of eq 400... don't know why i didn't think of this before...lol
true...but you'd want 250mg twice a week, splitting those would be a bitch lol
AnonGood point. You'd almost have to premix it in a separate vial. Which would be retarded
Just simple math on the pin bro. 200 is 1.5 twice.....300 is 2 etc. but yes a 600 dose gives extra kick. For 8th cycle a frontload of eq is optional as well. Many great options
Anonlike mjunkie says: what's your age, stats, and cycle history? there's no pct in this plan. are you trt? depending on the answers here, i can see at least one modification that would benefit you with this cycle.
Sorry... added the additional details. Not on TRT. Prior cycles always consisted of test then one of the following: EQ, Deca, Primo, or Tren A. When I added orals, they were either: Var, Winstrol, and Tbol. What mod did you have in mind? Thanks!