posted Tue, 12/18/2012 - 23:11
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PCT "The Gainskeeper Formula"
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I've been doing lots of research on PCT tonight, now thinking I might have had PCT all wrong in my mind (the old fashioned way). I read up alot on basskiller's website (basskilleronline.com) about PCT and there is tons of great info. I wanted ask everyone here what they think about "The Gainskeeper Formula"? Cause I'm thinking about following this PCT guide for my 12 week Test E and Test Prop Kicker/Taper Cycle.
I never knew HCG was so important until reading on this site and a few others since I got home from the gym.
All I'm asking is for your thoughts on the formula itself. Will post a cycle log soon once I gain a little more knowledge.
Source:
http://www.basskilleronline.com/gainskeeper-formula.html
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cdaddy7I'm with doss on the HGH and the positive feedback loop esp fort PCT...I would run it at 2ius at 6 on and 1 off bc u are running it for only four weeks and wouldn't be much suppression ...now the only way I would take the higher doses of Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20 is running a poly-compound high dose cycle with 20 plus weeks....thats y me and GS came up with higher doses PCT....the one I recommend will be for the more moderate users which is 20/20/10/10 Zewi helped us tweak this one....most of us fall into thie category...the PCT to me is the most important part of ur cycle bc all of ur efforts, gains and money lie in the balance of these 4 weeks not to mention ur natty production....sadly It's the most overlooked and shorted element in most cases and is historically regretted by many that not more attention was given
HGH? It didn't talk about any HGH. A little confused by this part but I will look into it. On the other hand I came across many articles talking about how HCG should be ran during cycle and never post cycle if its ran during. States a good dose for a person 10%-15% BF should run 100 iu ED starting 3 days after first AAS injection. And dropped one week AFTER last AAS injection or with Orals you would want to drop HCG a week BEFORE last dose.
The article came from: "Everything That’s Wrong With Your PCT" by Eric M. Potratz
A MOD named cookiedough posted this article on steroidworld(dot)com
Cdaddy thank you for your post and your knowledge I find it always helpful
Anoni talked about hgh below, doofus... he's agreeing...
that hcg dose is a bit high, and the timing is gonna depend on the compound you're running. say test e for instance.. it will take several weeks before the injected doses beging hitting their half life and building up to a level where effects can be noticed. your dudes aren't gonna shrink up after 3 days..
Lol last time they got like peanuts
AnonI know the feeling. As small as mine are, I can't afford the slightest shrinkage! Lmao
Bahaha sometimes I thought I lost the little guys
Anonvery interesting.. this is the first time i've seen a pct schedule outside of what i had listed before. makes sense.. what would the detriment be to running it 40/40/20/20 if it was a single compound for short period?
cdaddy7Honestly, the PCT blues is linked with higher dosages of Nolvadex, but now if u are an individual that seems to have issues with estro PCT then u could use it...just keep in mind we want to keep the estro low but not too low bc it has bad sides as well...PCT is stressful enough without adding to it for sure
Anonyeah, no doubt. mine wasn't too bad. but that gh made a huge difference i'm sure. i'm up to 3iu for 6 days. was doing 2 for 5 but had to bump that up to 6 bc i got really irritable on the second day off.
cdaddy7I'm with u brother....HGH....is the def missin link in running a perfect cycle or TRT and the availability and affordability now makes it even better....It was tread and my big bro GS that turned me on to it and It's for sure I will never b the same...def enjoy ur post brother....always good stuff
AnonThanks my man. Likewise..
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonthe role of CP is that of a fuel source, and will do nothing to counteract the effects of cortisol, so i wouldn't put much faith in that aspect. not sure what his full intentions are with the proviron, but he is incorrect about one thing: proviron will interfere with natty test, and although it possesses SOME anti-aromatase properties, it was not designed for this sole purpose; therefore, it is not as effective as a true AI. i have heard of the positive effects that Phosphatidylersine has on suppressing cortisol. 5000iu of HCG at once and during PCT? that is just crazy. IMO hcg should not be used during pct at all bc it will send the signal that there is too much gonadatropins, thereby causing neg feedback for natural gonadatropin production. to purpose of pct is to reset the HTPA, not antagonize it. i gave up reading this article after hcg and proviron during pct..
if you want a true, proven "gainskeeper formula" here it is:
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
aromasin 6.25-12.5mg ed
hgh 2iu ed (5 days on and 2 days off)
the hgh will keep the body in an anabolic state. it will also work synergistically with clomid by increasing the positive feedback loop for gonadatropins and natty test. this will allow clomid to work more efficiently. furthermore, it will raise serotonin levels, which will inturn counteract and suppress cortisol levels. many other positive side effects associated with hgh at this dose.
aromasin will aide in several ways. it will help keep e2 under control as the circulating test still has the potential to aromatize. this in turn aides in reducing water retention and a host of other sides associated with elevated estrogen. nolva alone will not prevent all the sides, like acne. the AI will also allow clomid to work more efficiently by freeing up test.
cdaddy7Great break down brother...+1
Nolva 20...20...10...10 less nolva blues...full estro control...igf raised with aro. Definitly the pct I'm going to use
Anonthanks bro. i had never seen anything other than 40/40/20/20 until now, so i was wondering why the difference. cdaddy breaks it down a bit up top tho.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI really don't see the need for proviron, I'd rather just use an AI to handle excess estro if needed.. 5k ius of hcg is quite a bit too =S .. pretty interesting tho, I'm always open to new ideas.
I still don't believe in clen for pct just to stop muscles tearing down.. You need your thyroid functioning properly to come back to natty test quickly
Interesting.. Would like to see if any vets have experience with this as well