+ 2 4th Cycle... Strong
6'3", 225 and 10%bf before the cycle. I am doing this log half way through since I forgot to log it online. I had to record everything in my Dora the explorer notebook until now.
Let me start off by saying, and im sure the vets can attest to this, DONT LISTEN TO JUST ANYONE and ask the people who do know what they are talking about. I am 24 years old and it was only after I jumped on Tren did I realize I am too young to be on this. My idiot supplier just told me it was the greatest compound and all the internet articles I found just raved about it and warned of some sides. I thought nothing of it and jumped all over this stuff.
When I started I was taking 600mgCyp/wk and 200mg/tren and 1mg adex per day at my suppliers suggestion, despite reading so much that tren goes after the same receptors as test. Let me tell you it all went down hill from here. I gained a shit ton of water weight (which i knocked some off with adex), I got depressed as hell, anxiety, paranoia, insomnia, sweating all the time, severe headaches and decreased libido. Ive done my share of gear and never had shit like this but I thought it would pass. 3 weeks in, I couldnt take it. I was paranoid I about my friends, work and I had awful dreams that I could hardly decyfer from reality. Mind you I wasnt screwed up before hand.
I jumped on here, talked to vets like Vike, and Zewi... damn did they help me out alot. Changed my dosing and now Im 6 weeks in and feel great with some sides still lingering. Listen to the vets, dont jump on cycles because a gym rat tells you to or because you saw a stack online. ASK BEFORE YOU DO IT AND RESEARCH BEFORE YOU ASK.
| Week | Testosterone Cyp | Tren E | Winstrol | Arimidex | Caber | Nolva | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 2 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 3 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 4 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 5 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 6 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 7 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 8 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 9 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 10 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 11 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 12 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 13 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 25mg/ED | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | ||
| 14 | 400mg/wk | 400mg/wk | 25mg/ED | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | ||
| 15 | 400mg/wk | 25mg/ED | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 16 | 400mg/wk | 25mg/ED | 1mg/E3D | .5mg/E4D | |||
| 17 | |||||||
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| 20 | 40mg/ED | 100mg/ED | |||||
| 21 | 40mg/ED | 100mg/ED | |||||
| 22 | 20mg/ED | 50mg/ED | |||||
| 23 | 40mg/ED | 50mg/ED |
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AnonThank you for your advice and information. Im grateful i found this site and can learn from vets and experience people. The guys at my gym told me i dont need a PCT and could just taper down after 20 weeks on test. Hope your cycle goes well and please keep us updated
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkgo find those people and kick them in the dick. Lol the whole point of the PCT is to bring your body back to go. If you dont PCT you will have problems, guarentee it. What cycle you looking to run? just test?
zewiGlad to here things are working out for you.
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Sounds like you've been on a hell'ova journey bro. +1 for having the balls to realise that you needed to recalibrate and get some experienced opinions
thanks man, honestly idk what the hell I woulda done. It was bad but glad theres people on here that can help out when shit hits the fan.
Now that I am 6 weeks in, I am seeing great things BUT ONLY BECAUSE I LISTENED TO THE VETS. The only sides I am still having are heat flashes and night sweats but everything else is gone.
Strength is rediculous, started DB Bench press at 4 x 12 of 80lbs and that was pushing me... Now I am doing 125lbs 10 times for 3 sets. I am squating 2 plates more, benching is up 50 pounds and I feel like a demon in the gym. Sometimes I have a hard time getting going but once im in the zone, every weight and everyone is screwed who gets in my way lol.
My appetite hasnt changed much, I had to force protein down my throat at first but now I am able to take it like a champ. Did have some bloating which adding pineapple (thanks vike) helped out alot).
Overall, I am up to 251... of which I know some is still water weight. But the strength, endurance and energy is insane. I could leave the hot flashes, cuz i feel like a menopausal woman. My anger is rediculous though... I get more pissed, faster and for no reason now. Dog pees on the carpet = flipping my futon, which punches whole in the wall. Lady cuts me off driving, I chase her down get out at red light and throw every swear I know at her. I mean that shit would have made me mad anyway but now... holy shit.
My body always feels flexed which is cool. I am taking my carbs down this week to see if I can keep some of the bad weight off. I am up to 10.7% since starting so I wanna get back down obviously.
Bets thing I can say is please, young people like me, listen to the vets. They know what they are talking about. I dont want to sound suicidal but the depression and anxiety were new to me and I literally almost went insane trying to control it. Just progress through because I got great results from simple stacks.... similar to what I am getting now.... only dif is now I have a shit ton of sides going along with it.
Good shit, Ill be back in a couple weeks to update
dexitrimSo is the moral of the story to always run tren equal to or greater than test?
Easy way to answer that is yes. They compete for the same receptor so running test high just defeats the purpose of taking them together. My personal experience shows that running higher test and low Tren leads to a shit ton of sides that will be worse than anything you have ever experienced before. Once I adjusted, the world is great and im back to being a machine. Before you touch the stuff, not to sound redundant, ask a pro about it. Great stuff, just WAY too extreme to go in not knowing enough
good luck man glad to hear you got it all sorted out. Wish i had guys like them to smack me and put me in my place way back in high school when the older kids on the FB team were all like here take this itll get you big giving a 16 yr old kid PHs....never again will i not do my own damn research. never do shit without RESEARCH
thanks man, yea shit I played football into college and when I was 15 I had seniors offering me deca and dbol cuz I got moved up to varsity as a fresh. I never took it cuz I was the kid always getting caught but god, if I had I could only imagine how screwed up Id be.
probably one of the smartest things you ever did in your life man. fucked me up big time. but shit deca and dbol in High School?? thats some next level shit
thats all i ever heard about was those two... before I knew about roids, only heard or was offered these two. so screwed up how easy it is for under 18 to get this stuff. All you need is money.