+ 2 Greeeen's PIP-Free Pinning Procedure
I have seen a good amount of "Help! I can't walk!" and "My ass hurts!" posts lately. Having struggled with some crippling PIP myself, I developed a PIP-reduction procedure and here it is:
1) Heat your oil.
Fill the sink with enough hot water to cover at least half of the standing vial. Do not let water touch the stopper. (Blowdrying is another easy option)
2). Step into a warm shower and let the water run over the muscle you wish to pin for at least a minute. A heating pad should work as well.
3) Draw oil, store filled pin in underarm while you prep the site.
4). Pin. SLOWELY inject oil. (A little bead of oil running down the needle can help mildly as well)
5). Slap a band aid on that and hop into a warm/hot bath (thanks to Goth for this tip). I would say that this is the most effective step for preventing PIP. A heating pad should work as well.
6) Walk around proudly, like you didn't take it in the out hole.
Now, I'm a noob myself. This is merely what I have picked up from the posts of others and experiments of my own. I hope this helps some of you new guys wondering what the hell others know that you don't. "Virgin" muscles, preservatives, oil types, etc. all play a role as well
PS I apologize for any formatting issues as this was done via my phone. Thanks brothers
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TxBigBoyThis is a good post bro, I use all of these methods and each help in their own way. At the end of the day though 60-80% of pip is going to come down to the gear your running. I've also found through my own research that pinning muscles like pecs and lats that are not flexed as much and much less dense than muscles like your delts with long esters leave me with little to no pip.
Thanks. This has definitely helped bring awful down to bad though. I've been thinking about pinning lats for a while. What size needle do you use? And how much oil?
TxBigBoyI haven't put more than a half cc in my lats at a time. I used a 25g 1inch but I think I stopped about 3/4's the way in. You should try pecs if you havent yet
I've tried heating under running hot water for about 3-5 mins. Maybe I'll try the heating pad next. Mine's not crippling, but I can't re-inject the same spot for about 5 days... Makes it hard if you're doing ED or EOD. I need to try slowly injecting as well. I've heard some of these before, but thanks for putting them all together like this.
Hope you're using 6point injection. By time you get back to spot#1 that'd 11 pins later. Too much oil in one spot and ya get cellulitus or abscess.
I'm only using 4 right now, but only doing EOD. I need to try quads, but had a buddy get a nasty infection in his quad. Had to cut out an abscess the size of a golf ball. So I'm a little scared to say the least! It could have been a bunch of reasons why though, ie dirty dart, bunk gear...
Limit the oil to 2cc or less and your chances of a sterile abscess are significantly cut. Give it a shot with a 25g 1" needle and you'll probably end up preferring it over glutes. Virgin muscle will play a role though lol
Haha, yeah. 25g 1.5 is what I run. So not all the way in obviously? I've watched a few vids on injection sites. This one has been posted before, an oldie but a goodie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7otcmsn0Vts&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube...
that video is great! check out those antiquated syringes, and i don't push the needle in nearly that fast, but if i had to quickly administer 1000's of IM injections to incoming GI's in the military, i might throw it like a dart as well. haha
Haha, I know. Sometimes its feels like the wife is shooting for a bulleyes back there! No Homo!
I quad shoot often. He had an issue of his own or too many cc's of juice. Google cellulitus.....then we can talk about finding more spots.
"especially subcutaneous or intramuscular injection or where an attempted intravenous injection "misses" or blows the vein"
Then can cellulitus be caused if you are in a vein? Don't curse me, but I don't aspirate when I pin. I mostly don't cus I shoot in the glutes and there aren't many veins to hit, but if I start quads/bi's/tri's then I definitely need to aspirate. You can blame my few bad habits on a friend that doesn't cycle the correct way. I'm learning though, thanks to everyone on eroids.
it's very important to aspirate. search around the forums, you can find stories of people that have accidentally gotten a little of their test in a vein. Not even a full shot, but just pierced a vein on the way in, and then a little oil went back into circulation venously. the experience sounds truly horrible, because most of the test eventually makes its way to the lungs where it gets coughed out. there's also a risk of passing out, chest pain and pain while breathing. You don't have to aspirate much when you're checking, just pull the plunger back A LITTLE BIT. just enough to see a bubble get pulled into the barrel.
Yeah, I really need to aspirate. I kick myself in the ass everytime I don't I'll start tomorrow. I was never told to when I started my first cycle. I'm learning over the last year or so to really read up and follow advice, even if I wasn't taught that way... Thanks again.
You can get cellulitus and sterile abscess without veins as well. Unabsorbed oil causes issues. Aspirate glutes too. When you warm gear and get lower pip gear....quads are long. So outer midway right quad on Monday....Wednesday midway left quad...delt Friday.....Sunday other delt.......Tuesday glute right.....Thursday left glute......Saturday quad #r but 3in lower.
Just example.....and you can see its plenty absorption time AND different spot by time you hit the origional.. Of course delts I'd not go over 1cc. And many guys like the 25 x 1 for quads/delts as well.
Be safe! Ai...pct....good gear....always new pin.
Appreciate the info man. I'll give it a whirl.
I'm telling you, the post-injection hot soak or pad is paramount. If you're really struggling, give the whole regimen a try. Also, take a look at spotinjections.com. They can give you a couple of extra spots that might allow you to avoid hitting the same spot so frequently
Appreciate it man. It's tolerable, but would rather not have it at all. I only inject 2 different spots so I definetly need to try new ones.
cdaddy7I like the post and and thanks for sharing it with the community bro. +1 for the surgical step-by-step method
Of course. I appreciate the +1
Bingo! Also helps to read supplier intro pages as well as reviews prior to purchase. When it has big pip....someone will post it. +1
Absolutely right brother. Thanks for the karma!
so far the heating pad and advil have helped some but the whole if it doesn't kill me it'll make me stronger thing aint workin for me, maybe I'll try the bath. Thanks bro
The bath has definitely given me the greatest reduction in PIP
StevebSeems like too much trouble if your pinning EOD. But its good advice.
I'm running three compounds and pinning eod......its no trouble at all following a 10min procedure. If 10 mins isn't cool then it can be pirate leg...shoulder...ass etc. lol
Haha, I couldn't train shoulders on my regular day last week thanks to this "pirate shoulder".
Ugh! Feel like back in high school playing "shoulders". Sock til ya drop
Haha, I know right? The wife always asks what it feels like (pip), but she won't let me show her, haha.
It's not as much as you may think. Really just warm the muscle, warm the oil, warm the muscle again. With a heating pack it can be a 5 minute ordeal. For the PIP a rough vial of Test PP gave me, I would have been happy to spend 30 minutes to reduce it significantly. If it doesn't sound appealing, then PIP isn't a big enough issue for you to take these additional steps. You're a lucky man if that's the case!