+ 80 HOW TO RUN A CYCLE
I've been getting a lot of questions about how to run a first cycle and instead of responding to everyone, I'm going to just post something here. First off, you should do research. Google search anything you can think of when it comes to AAS - first steroid cycle, beginner steroid cycle, test and dbol cycle, proper pct for first cycle, etc. This is by no means a be all end all guide to running your cycle, but I'm going to post some things just to get people started in the right direction.
FIRST CYCLE
Your first cycle should be a relatively simple and straightforward one, meaning one, maybe two anabolic compounds, the necessary ancillaries, and a proper PCT. Do not over complicate this one as test will be the base for all your future cycles. Its good to find out how you react to it alone before you add on extra components. I do think running an oral kickstart for a first cycle is acceptable, as using a longer estered test (enanthate or cypionate) will take around 4 weeks before the test is "noticeable" in your system, so you can judge the effects of the oral independent of the testosterone.
Can you run an oral only cycle? Yes you can, but its really really not worth, in most cases. Most people won't retain any of the gains they make off a 4-6 week dbol cycle - you'll blow up quick, but you won't have the extra time on cycle to get your body used to holding the extra mass while being in an elevated anabolic state. Also, all anabolic/androgenic compounds shut down your natural test production. Testosterone is a key component in your everyday functioning in life, and when you supplement your system with anabolics other than testosterone (that shut down your test production), you will feel the effects of the reduced testosterone.
Can I just run Deca or EQ or Tren by itself with no test for my first cycle - it will still be only one compound? No.... again, read above. Using these other anabolics still result in shutting down your natural production of testosterone and you will experience side effects of no testosterone - lethargy, depression, lack of libido, erectile dysfunction, etc.... not worth it. Yes, some people have run cycles with no test and have been fine, but that is generally the exception, not the rule. Much better to play it safe then "hope" you are the exception to the rule.
What's this about gyno? Testosterone (along with a number of other anabolics - deca, dbol) is an aromatizing compound meaning with elevated levels of it, you will have corresponding elevated levels of estrogen in your system. It is generally wise to combat these during cycle to avoid excessive bloating and the posisbility of developing breast tissue (gyno). Two ways of doing this: an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) or a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM). In general, I think using an AI during cycle is better as it prevents the testosterone from aromatizing in the first place, whereas a SERM prevents the estrogen from binding to estrogen receptors. A popular and easily available AI for on cycle use is Anastrozole (brand name Arimidex); SERMs are generally used if gyno is already an issue on cycle, or for PCT.
PCT - what's that? Post Cycle Therapy - this is a necessity and not something that is optional or can be purchased over the counter in your local GNC. So all cycle long you've been injecting testosterone and you have lots of it in your system, much more than your body naturally produces. So what does your body do ? - it stops producing its own testosterone. As the long estered testosterone wears off at the end of the cycle (roughly two weeks from your last injection), you body realizes that it no longer has testosterone in it and decides to try to make some of its own. At the same time, your estrogen to testosterone ratio is high, meaning you have a lot of estrogen, but very little testosterone, and whats worse, as your body tries to start making testosterone, it converts some of that to estrogen so you have even more estrogen (very simplified explanation of whats happening). Long story short, you need a SERM, peferably Tamoxifen (Nolvadex brand name) to combat these estrogen levels and help your body get itself creating enough testosterone again to sustain your new muscle mass. Yes you can use an over the counter testosterone booster, but you MUST always use a SERM. Always.
Lastly, HCG? HCG is not always a must on your first, or lower dosed cycles, but it is highly, highly recommended. So remember how the testosterone you are injecting is telling your body to stop producing its own testosterone? Well HCG tells you body through a LH signal (I'm not going to go into specifics) to your testes to keep trying to produce testosterone. This will not only limit the amount of shrinkage you will occur on cycle in your boys down below, but it will drastically aid in how quickly you recover post cycle. Now remember, HCG is suppressive as well, meaning it must be discontinued before PCT as well. So this is only used during cycle up until several days before PCT, but will definitely help keep you ready to start producing testosterone again post cycle.
So... how does this all translate into an actual first cycle:
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week (2 injections of 250mg, Sunday Morning Wednesday night)
Optional: Weeks 1-4: 30mg of Dbol per day (split in two doses, one pre workout, one 12 hours later)
Weeks 1-12: .5mg of Anastrozole Every other Day (EOD)
Weeks 4-12: 500iu's of HCG per week (2 injections of 250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
PCT starts week 12, two weeks after last test shot
Week 1&2: 40mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
Week 3&4: 20mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
And that's it. Simple, straightforward and a great first cycle. Remember, time on + PCT = time off before cycle. So this whole cycle would take you 16 weeks, so you need to wait 16 weeks before your next cycle so your body is fully normalized in its natural hormonal state before doing another cycle.
*Note: you could run the testosterone for two more weeks, Weeks 1-12, just move all the other times for the other compounds up by 2 weeks, so PCT starts week 14, HCG/Arimidex ends before you start PCT. Dbol dosage would still stay the same for 4 weeks. *
SECOND CYCLE:
Now the second cycle.... you could run the same cycle again and probably have great results. But many of us are impatient, interested, and curious about the other compounds that exist. I recommend holding off till your third cycle to add something else, especially if your first cycle went well (or if you chose not to use dbol on your first cycle, use it on this cycle). The one main difference I'd suggest for this cycle is to try frontloading the testosterone.
Frontloading? Because your'e using a long estered test meaning it takes ~4 or 5 weeks to reach full blood concentration levels of your weekly dose, you can frontload it, meaning use a much larger dose during the first week to get your blood levels up quicker. A general guideline for this is the following: your first injection of testosterone is equal to your normal bi-weekly dose + you full week dose. So for example, if you're running 500mg of test again, split into two injections per week of 250mg, then your first injection would be your normal injection (250mg) + you weekly dose (500mg) = 750mg, then you'd continue with your normally schedule twice weekly injections of 250mg. This will get your blood levels up much faster and make for a quicker rise to optimum test levels in your system (also making for an overall longer cycle while at optimum levels).
If you did use dbol for your first cycle, and want to try it in another way, I'd suggest running it the last 4 weeks of your cycle, up until the day before PCT. This will keep gains coming as the test begins to wear down the two weeks from your last injection up until PCT. Another popular compound for doing this is Stanazolol (winstrol) or even Oral Turinabol. This keeps gains coming up until the very end of the cycle as you can run orals up until the day before PCT due to their short half life.
Example:
Week 1: 1000mg of test
Week 2-12: 500mg of test per week
Week 10-14: Winstrol or Dbol or Turinabol at 50mg/day
Week 14 (two weeks after last test injection, start PCT)
PCT and all on cycle ancillaries (HCG arimidex) are used the same as the first cycle.
THIRD CYCLE:
Now you've got a couple cycles down, you know what test and dbol/winny/or tbol will do to you. You know how to use your ancillaries correctly, you know how to do PCT correctly. After using the time on + PCT = time off before next cycle rule, you can start your next cycle and get a bit more creative. This time, I'd recommend both kickstarting the cycle with an oral (dbol) for the first 4 weeks, and finishing off the cycle with an oral (winstrol) for 5 or 6 weeks, up until the day before PCT.
Instead of doing that, you could still kick start the cycle, but try another long estered compound. EQ (boldenone) is a good one for lean gains, Deca Durabolin is a good one for large mass. I'd still steer clear of trenbelone at this point (that will have to be a whole other post). Primo or masteron are weaker steroids compared to the ones listed above and are really more suited for those with a very solid, large base and low body fat. They will show their results much better with sub 8% bodyfat and need to be run at relatively high and expensive doses, not worth it for a majority of AAS "look good" users. So some sample third cycles (always run your ancillaries and PCT as outlined in the first cycle):
General Build and Solidify Cycle
Week 1-14 Test E 500mg/wk
Week 1-5 Dbol 50mg/day
Week 10-16 Winny 50mg/day
PCT starts two weeks after last test injection
Big Mass Cycle
Week 1-14 Test E 500mg/wk
Week 1-5 Dbol 50mg/day
**Week 1-13 **Deca Durabolin 400mg/wk
PCT starts two weeks after last test injection (3 weeks after last Deca injection - longer ester, takes longer to clear system)
Lean Mass Cycle
Week 1-14 Test E 500mg/wk
Week 1-6 Oral Turinabol or Anavar
Week 1-12 Boldenone Undeclynate (EQ) 500mg/wk
PCT starts two weeks after last test injection (4 weeks after last EQ injection - very long ester, takes very long to clear system)
FOURTH CYCLE AND BEYOND:
You've now experienced three good cycles and multiple compounds. You can choose to run one of the previous third cycles again, or choose a different one and run it, or you can start to up the doses or certain things. But don't up too quickly. There are diminishing returns in terms of large doses... i.e. 1000mg of test is not as much of a difference from 750mg/test as 750mg of test is to 500mg of test. Couple guidelines, keep test under 1000mg/wk, with 750mg being an ideal "high point". Generally don't run more than one oral at one time, with at least 4 weeks off between orals during a cycle. Generally don't go beyond 60mg/day of orals (Anavar can be run up to 100mg a day, but only after you've tried it at a lower dose). Generally always run more or equal test per week than any other compound, i.e. 750mg of test and 600mg of Deca, or 750mg of test, 750 mg of EQ. Generally don't up the doses of any of these compounds until you've run them at the dose listed under third cycle - that way you know how your respond to them and will reap the benefits from the lower dose before you "must" move to a higher dose to get the same benefits. **ALWAYS RUN PCT AND ALWAYS TAKE TIME OFF = TIME ON CYCLE + PCT EVERYTIME **- this ensure health and longevity. Also, generally don't run a cycle longer than 16 weeks, preferably 14 weeks being the max (this is the amount of weeks actually injecting AAS and do not count the two weeks before PCT from the last test E shot).
That's about it. There are all sorts of shorter estered cycles for those who don't mind pinning more often. These are generally better for cutting as the shorter estered compounds generally make you bloat less and leave your system faster. But again, testosterone is always the base for any cycle.
Examples
Weeks 1-8 Test Propionate, 75mg ED or 150mg EOD
Weeks 3-8 Winstrol 50mg/day
Weeks 1-8 Test P, 150mg EOD
Weeks 1-8 Anavar 60mg-80mg/day
Weeks 1-8 Test P, 150mg EOD
Weeks 1-8 EQ2, 100mg EOD - this is a short estered version of EQ
Weeks 1-8 Test P 150mg EOD
Weeks 1-8 Nandrolone Phenylprop - this is a short estered version of Deca Durabolin (aka Nandralone Decanoate)
You get the point, use short estered compounds with short estered test. Always run your ancillaries and PCT starts 4 days after last test injection when using test propionate.
Good luck and happy cycling.
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His dose was very little .5cc deca .75cc test e EW for awhile blasting and cruising. He never felt better and he looked great. I meen he wasn't an old guy anymore, dude he was out getting rub and tugs and shit "it was a trip" seeing him like this. He tried taking a higher dose but his agression levels were to high he said so he stepped it down. But when he finally ran out and my guy was gone after about 3 weeks he started to waste and a few months later he's back in pain again tired lathargic no ambition depression and such. His pecker was bi polar he said, so I told him go to the doc and get TRT i figured his test levels were really low. Doc gave him the to check his levels. The results my dad said the doc was astonished test levels over 700 i dont recall his estro numbers exact but he did say the doc was concerned that his levels were way to high. He has finally started to come back to a normal feeling but the old tired wore out normal feeling. I gave him some prop and he's liking it.
Great Post
Hey all. Manlytt, thanks for taking over and covering this post. I've been very busy with a bunch of other stuff in my life for the past year and really haven't had as much free time to be on here.
I haven't looked through all the posts, only this first page, but it seems that clomid is required with tamoxifen???? Never got that memo and still don't believe that its necessary. One or the other is fine. Lots of people have plenty of issues with clomphine that they don't get with tamoxifen. Sure you can use both, but I don't believe its necessary and have never done so myself.
Anyway keep up the good work.
Hey welcome back friend, I agree with your statement of nolva and clomid on this basis, clomid hasn't been used for pct for all that long. It came about in correct me if I'm wrong the late nineties to the aas community. There were many who were sterile from extended aas use and could not have children, and for them it was a god sent. People who now use it in there pct do it because someone told them they ought to. If you plan on children clomid may help. Nolva is for controling estrogen sides, again correct me if I'm wrong, and that spikes when you come off a cycle. Clomid was designed for women, it doest have an anti estrogen property to it to my knowledge. Thanks for the acknowledgement, I may have scared some away from aas, as I was honest with them that this stuff is addictive especially if that's your personality. Its pretty hard to say yea I'm just gonna do one cycle and that's it. I'm sure some do, but they're more like the exception than the rule. Good to have you back bro.
I was just reading up on clomisphene and it looks like I was slightly mistaken on it. It apparently does have an effect on estrogen.
Yes you are right about it being addicting. I never thought i would ever do aas, until a buddy said it will help with your old injuries and joint pain. Now bro it hasn't just help with the old injuries but it helps with my all around well being. Some of you guys here on eroids have made it a much more clearer picture for me. When i run cycles from now on, thank yoi!
Some people are addicted to the bs gnc stuff, just think of what would happen to those guys if they stumbled on steroids that really worked. They would be hooked for life. I'm maintenance doses between cycles and I'm not sure how it will all pan out for me if I decided to quit. My own production of test might be really tough to get back. In essence its a choice that can be a lifelong choice. I might try going off the test in a couple years. I have some 50000 iu's of hcg on hand with a bunch of pharm grade pct for the day I go off cycle. There was a time before I found this site that I had to rely on a buddy to hook me up and there were dry spells then. Off cycle my muscles would look slightly better cause there was no water retention.
Oh yea it would blow their minds. But at the same time those normal Joe's dont need it like some of us. Dude while I am in cycle and I drink the supplement AMP from gnc that stuff makes me swell like the hulk Bro. I can seriosly feel my deca and test induced muscles absorbe all the proteins and other vitamins. I like to drink a good shake right after workout and I swear I can feel my muscles feeding. Holy cramp I need to go work out just talking about it, is making me "horny".
from my understanding. If you run hcg 250iu 2xW and an ai/adex ed .25mg during cycle or just cruising that should keep your natural test producing. 2 weeks before discontinuing AAS increase hcg 5000iu a week and then start Your normal PCT nolva chlom and hopefully you will kick start your system. But to continue running hcg as a PCT isnt a good idea i hear. Because you want your own body to produce the test needed. which has never stopped producing because of the hcg. By allowing the hcg to keep you producing test while on cycle allows for your PCT to be alot easier and recovery a cruise. This is only a small amount of info I was told. The source that gave it to me, made it extreamly understandable.
With 40 mg nolva, how much clomid should you take?
I believe the first week of pct the cycle looks like this. 40mg nova ed/ 100mg chlom ed. Weeks 2-4 20mg nolva ed and 50mg chlom ed. Now everyones different in their PCT. Some people only take Nolva for pct, but its been proven that combining the two together during PCT helps dramatically. Now if you really want to make PCT a breeze include 500iu of hcg a week into your cycle split it half 250iu 2x a week. Your BOYS will thank you.
Hey, thanks for the advice.
no prob bro. PCT is a very important fact I failed to realize for the first couple of years. Nothing scarier then having a limp dick and feeling like a chick for a month.
This may be challenged, but this is my take on ancillaries. If I throw a tennis ball right at your face, you might not catch it the first time cause you weren't expecting some ass hole to throw a tennis ball at your head and if I'm doing this on a regular basis you'll know and adapt and catch the ball. Well that's also my take on taking ancillaries when they're not really needed. Your body adapts and the backup plan for disaster is now desensitized. Just be careful guys cause unless your a competitive bodubuilder you may be taking unnecessary risks. Your nuts might shrink a little on cycle, mine always came back to full size, when I would go off cycle. I just hope we don't see a rash of guys that have desensized themselves to the cure because they overplanned there cycles. Just my .02
I'd like to do the Big Mass Cycle as described. Can someone tell me when to start taking HCG? This is what the cycle looks like:
Big Mass Cycle
Week 1-14 Test E 500mg/wk
Week 1-5 Dbol 50mg/day
**Week 1-13 **Deca Durabolin 400mg/wk
PCT starts two weeks after last test injection (3 weeks after last Deca injection - longer ester, takes longer to clear system)
According to the instructions in the OP, I should stop taking HCG two weeks after my last injection, but I'm not sure when to start since the example of when to start in the OP was for a 10 week cycle and the Big Mass Cycle is a 14 week cycle.
How much experience do you have with AAS and stacking?
Awesome post! Great job. Thanks for taking your time to write all this down bro!
great post thanks for the info
Anastrizol brand name Arimidex is a AI this should be ran on cycle too. Clomid and Nolva is SERMS for PCT I think you have them all confused.
Thanks bro this is some valuable info. This shits a science no doubt.
I use researh companies for most ancillaries, but pharm grade for pct. Pct is too important to guess if what you have is legit. Good luck with your body comp changes.
Yup, for a simple test under a gram a week all you should need is nolvadex and clomid.
UFOI dunno about that man...Hes talking about getting your nuts back to size and for that the best is def HCG..will get your boys back to normal within a week or less..then you are ready to run the novla/clomid. I dont see why everyone doesnt use all three..being too cautious especially with your nuts never hurts.
Yea if nut shrinkagw while on is a concern then hcg is the ticket. Mine always come back on there own when I was cycling on and off. But everyones different so blanket statements can be hard to justify. Have you ever cycled without hcg?
UFOIve actually never CYCLED with hcg...just always did a blast after cycle. Actually that was the only PCT i used before was HCG(not recommended). But now I do an HCG blast for 10 days prior to SERMS(clomid+nov) and that seems to do the trick. 3 days after my pct my test levels were back up to 715(8 wks afer last inject). But like you said EVERYONE is different so what works for me may not work with him...
There's certainly nothing wrong with running hcg. I just see a lot of guys that get so worked up over there estrogen levels, there nuts and all that. Imo a cycle a 500 mgs a week the doc would keep it simple, I'm not a doctor. So are you blasting and then cruising? I just started doing that and I believe hcg might be a must for me now as I'm never totally off cycle. I just read an article by William lewelyn about the benefits of muscle building with higher estrogen and this is the mindset I've always subscribed too. I know it has nothing to do with festival size, but thought I would throw that out there anyway. 750 off cycle that's damn good bro. +1 for intriguing conversation.
UFOThanks brother...I was pretty stoked to get those results myself considering I ran gear improperly for a while. I dont blast and cruise anymore, I tried that the first year before I knew jack shit and lets just say I crashed HARD for like 4 months. And Im not the biggest fan of pinning so I need breaks. For any long cycle I do from now on Im going to run HCG during, just because I hear it makes your recovery that much easier, so for a blast and cruise, if you ever plan on coming off, Id hit that HCG. If your never coming off then fuck it ur never gunna use ur nuts again anyway lol.
As for the estro I hear you bro..I never used an AI because I heard extra estro can be beneficial to bulking. BUT when I got these tests done, I expected to be suuuper low in test cause I feel like ass and dont have sex drive although Im holding weight and strength gains. Turns out my estro was really high(145...normal range is 40-110) which is the reason for the way I feel. So although my nuts are producing test my body is turning most into estro which is no good. So I started hitting my AI. Im starting to think I need to keep my estro in check almost as much as my test levels to maximize gains..gunna try running proviron next cycle and see how that goes...Thanks for the +1 homie
Is this why i feel like SHIT! I must have crashed then. I really dont know who the fuck I am it seems like. Especially for the last 3months on and off with energy and just not myself. No drive to do anything. I was running it I guess blast and cruising deca and test for a good year always a .25 or. 5 more test then deca. In hopes and what was told would be fine (my ass) i suddenly stopped do to surgery back in Nov and been in the dumps since Feb. I nothing seems to make me feel better doc has me on depression meds and such but its not depression. I know from now on I am doing this shit right. So to all learn a fine lesson here from ones that have done this shit and did it wrong our first time. Its not like you can just take a pill to fix a fucked cycle. Most of the time you dont even know whats up with yourself. I didnt until i came here to eroids.
UFOHell yea thats why you feel like shit bro...doing deca and test for a year with no pct is not a joke. You need to get your blood levels taken asap. Then youll know where you stand in regards to producing your natty test again. Luckily I recovered, some dont. Get into a docs if its been since november and you still feel like shit.
Im back in check and running hcg with test p and npp to kick start my teste and deca/eq cycle. But im throwing a curve ball in this though. I need to shed post surgery wait gain plus ad a kick start to my energy level. So i was looking info tren a 50mg ed test e300 mg week for about 4-6 week lot of cardio lifting to prep for a bulk cycle to follow with either deca/eq 500mg week and tezt e @ 600 mg week hcg 250iu 2 x week 8weeks then hit pct as directed. Brain storming whatcha think?
I'm running masteron with this cycle, which is essentially proviron. I ran proviron in my last cycle. Damn does that stuff jack up thelibido. You'll like that stuff.
UFOSorry I dont check this thread too often...You feel like you hardened up off the proviron or was it more of a libido booster for you? Im unsure if I should run it this round or not, right now Im running 2 compounds I never have in the past (sus/EQ) and dont know if I should mix in another unknown without learning what these compounds do to me first. Might just save them for my winter deca run...
Great infomation.
Hi, thanks for writing this. I am 4 wks in to my first cycle (pretty much exactly ur recommendation minus the dbol). Why no clomid for pct? Some people are very emphatic about suggesting this on here.
Bro I've been managing this post for some time, the author hasn't logged in since july. Yesterday first cycle test e only as I previously posted here with Nolva and clomid pct as I stated.I might rewrite this sticky if the higher upd would like, because as you stated yes clomid is protocall
I want to follow the first cycle recommendation, however, I have only been able to find 5000iu bottles of HCG in 2ml vials. If I am supposed to take two shots of 250 each what does that translate into per shot? Am I supposed to take 5000iu per week making it a 1ml/1cc shot twice per week? I also want to know if anyone can tell me if I need to do more in the PCT phase than just the Nolva for the last 4 weeks.
If you load 1cc (a full insulin pin, 100 lines) of bac water into the 5000iu vial of HCG, each little tiny line on the slin pin will be 50iu (5000\100). So 250iu will be 5 little lines or 1/2 way to the first big line next to the 10 which by the way would be 500iu (5000\10).
Nolva will help with Estrogen imbalance, Clomid will help to get the "boys" (testicles) producing again. HCG also helps the "boys" (testicles). If you run the HCG throughout the Cycle, and PCT IMO you don't need the Clomid post cycle. But it won't hurt. Good Luck!
Thanks for the reply. I had figured that I would use a half cc syring with a half inch needle. I would use a tenth of a cc each time giving me 500iu. 2ml divided by 20 (number used to get a 250iu dose) equals .1 right? By using a half cc syringe I could get a more accurate reading. This is my understanding so far. Your take on my results?
Right. If using 1cc to mix 5000iu each .1cc would be 500iu. If using 2cc to mix 5000iu each .1cc would be 250iu.
You won't need to worry about your nuts shrinking much at 500 mgs of test e per week for 12 weeks. The dive that does shrink will come back during pct 2 weeks after last shot. Nolva and clomid should be all you really need. That's 100 mgs clomid 40mgs nolva for two weeks then last two weeks of pct cut those doses in half.
seems like a lot of the vets suggest this-- not to worry about shrinkage on 12wk @ 500mgs Test, and just to focus on PCT.. what are you current thoughts on having AI on hand during cycle? have seen-and it makes sense-that using AI during cycle could eventually lead to semi-dependence...
I accepted friend requests, now if those who have additional questions that need to post message me you can do so by clicking in the top right corner, by your name. There should be a 0 there if you don't have any messages. If you click on it it will contain your messages.
Hi y'all not gearing anytime for the next 5 years but I really do like to read up and research. I'm trying to PM manlytt as he said it was ok to do so. I've only done ph cycles in the past and properly with supporting supps, good macros for what I was trying to achieve and a solid pct. I like the simplicity of this post. Just wondering if it's best to run tamoxifen during cycle and if supporting supps are the same as I have used with Ph's to protect my liver, kidneys etc. Thanks.
I didn't get your friend request, to pm me u have to friend me first. Nolvadex is kinda hard on the liver so I would just use it post cycle. People take aromatise inhibitors or AI's on cycle such as adex or letro. I've never used these, I will use them when I do a big cycle with tren, but you should have over a half dozen cycles in befor you even think about treb. I've taken nolva on cycle for a few days once while on tren with bigh dose of dbol. Started getting lumps under nipps and that cleared it up. I'll friend request u
I just clicked on trt' name, been on here 42 weeks, last seen in early july. Back then karma was hard earned and I see his is extremely high. I assume this post will not get any replies, because he hasn't been here in 8 months. If any of the moons have any questions about proper cycle advice like the clomid not being mentioned feel free to friend me and pm me for answers. This post really should be monitored by an experienced member.
hey man, im in the military and wanted to run a cycle of the test e, but i dont know if i should take it for the recomended 12 months, was wanting to lean more towards 8 weeks concidering people will be suspicious if i blow up real fast, im in decient shape but never taken steroids. I read the article above and im strongly concidering taking it. Just curious if you thiink maybe im wasting my time on a small cycle or not.
No your fine going 8 weeks thanks for your service to our great country. Friend me if you need to get more details. Or just post here and I'll try to check in here
well yes I did wonder about the clomid thought clomid was used first . at about 50-100 mg week with nolvadex taken the last two weeks of pct, or both together. Hmm. im also wondering if you keep your test at about 900 mine is 429 right now will youur hpta still need help .. as up to 1000 is still an acceptable range for test results maybe when you go up into the 1500 is where you begin to have problems with aromatization and hpta shutdown. ?
It depends on the esther ran for the clomid nolva, but 2weeks is good for test e. Then you are correct 100mgs of clomid 50 of nolva for first week then tapered. In your case it sounds like you do trt or a low dose year round so pct is no longer needed.
Well actually my 429 was my pre- cycle testosterone test. I haven't done AAAS in probably 15 years So I was just going to do maybe 250 a week keep the test levels at about 1000 and see if could build some decent muscle . I did read a article where 500 mg a week bring Better results. I was also thinking instead of doing 500 mg of test. Try at 250 and add an additional steroid add another 200 mg.? Or an oral like dbol at 20mg ed?