posted Thu, 06/14/2012 - 18:02
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If someone did run a short oral cycle with a dht like Winny would there be a need for Nolva in the pct since it wouldn't aromatize or just clomid to get natty test back up?
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i dont know why you would do it, what are you trying to get out of this? idk why people on here think that nolva will only help with estrogen control(competes for receptors in the breast tissue) but it also has been shown to raise LH and FSH levels, so both nolva and clomid used together is a pretty good pct for whatever your taking. ive seen a LOT of people run winny only cycles(also tbol,dbol,drol only cycles) and see okay results, i dont however think that its much of a cycle tbh, but it will do something as long as diet, training , rest, etc is spot on. if you ran proviron, which is a steroid but also has estrogen controlling effects and can also can raise LH and FSH levels, it is hard to say that you would need a pct since it does both of the things you are trying to achieve when running a pct. so you could in theory run proviron for a few weeks as a "bridge" between cycles, there is another post about proviron on here. but the things you will see from proviron will not be as noticeable as other steroids of course.
Well theres a real answer so now I know I should add in the nolva. And for why I did it-Doing winny the four weeks up to my spring break was probably one of the best choices I could of made for looks and performance. 2nd- The first time I ever tried a steroid it was pharma-grade adrol and put on 15lbs in 1 month so I thought it was a miracle drug. Now my second attempt with adrol 2 yrs had dissappointing results and shut me down hard so Im trying to get back to normal and then do it right with a test cyp winter cycle from oct-dec
ahh the ole winny before spring break, back in college it seemed like all sources who carried winny was sold out around spring break lol. yea man go with some injectable compounds, then you will see some great gains, as long as all the other factors are spot on. there is nothing you can do about your past man, just do it right from now on and research as much as you can, and you will do fine. btw ive seen many friends who are needle shy, go with oral only cycles, i dont like them but i have seen guys with good results, but they didnt keep much afterwards lol.
Ya I got a seizure letter 2 years ago at my parents so got kind of scared of aas but once I moved to school got a new address figured I'd try again. Only did a 20/40/50/30 winny cycle because I only got one bottle. Was in alright shape before but got striated as **** had veins poppin with cardio as much as I could before break. Even went from 223 to 227 ripped the first three wks. One thing I noticed and googled was getting larger erections and I found out this might be b/c of the blood flow from the vascularity enhancement kind of like the ed pills you see out there and that winny has less effect on the testicular axis. So this was even more of a spring break bonus.
(Erections did go back down to norm 2 days after coming off though)
It was really just like a plateau breaker even after a week of partying when I got back lifting I still got up to 232 without anything just had to stay off the creatine b/c it ruined the look with the added water. So if I ever need to get ready for something quick I probably will just go to winny, maybe add some proviron, but Im ready for a 12 week test cyp base cycle that ill probably close out with winny.
Just next time I'll probably add some joint supplement because the dryness could get harsh.
Well that little cycle actually gave me suprisingly good results and I was still slowly gaining 2 months aterwards. It was just another little cycle I tried afterwards that makes me want to pct and start a real test cyp base cycle a few months from now. So would nova be needed if none of the compounds used could aromatize.
Just research forums and do it right. Did you grow boobs? That answers question.....
No winny doesn't convert to estrogen and like I said I had no negative side effects I noticed and I took my liver support and during and afterwards I had the typical young man libido so I'm sure my natty test is back. Just later I tried some Adrol and that shut me down pretty hard so I know clomid will raise test levels but since adrol doesn't aromatize like test or dbol do I need to add the nolva too?
Bad cycle....