posted Tue, 05/01/2012 - 12:49
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Next cycle help!!
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Finishing up this cycle, and building my next one. I will be running this into my first physique show. I am currently cutting so hopefully I wont have to lean out much more.
Dbol 30-40mg 1-5(is there a better kick start choice that is like dbol but without the bloat?)
Test e 500mg 1-14
Tren e 400mg 1-10
eq 600mg 1-14(is eq worth it?)
winstrol 40mg 10-15
Would this be a good pre show cycle? I dont wanna be too lean as its a physique show, but still need to be around 7-8%bf.
Stats
6'0
217 12%bf
24yo
Cycle history
dbol 50mg 1-5
test e @ 500mg 1-10, 750 11-15
so this would be by second cycle
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What would you guys say to..
Test prop 50mg Ed or 100mg eod 12 weeks
Npp 100mg eod 10-11 weeks
Does that sound better?
And what's the vote between Ed and eod?
Just seen his pic guy looks ok for what hes up to,imo just more intensity in the gym and keep nailing the diet, no need for roids at this stage if you dont want heavy mass.
The show is still up in the Air. I really want to get bigger, but want to comPete but know Im nowhere
Close for a bb show. What would you recommend if I wasnt gonna do physique and just wanted to put on
A good amount of lean muscle? Dbol bloated me to hell even with Asin Ed. Test e is alrigh.
Test E brother 500mg pr wk split 250x2 shots this combined with the diet will give desired results,dont forget to have nolva on hand during cycle then after 12wks of test use start PCT protocol 2wks later then run that for 4wks ok,i wont go into a pct cycle here we have loads posted and this can be the first stage of your homework,better not to be spoon fed you will get more buzz and believe in the knowledge if you do this yourself,TIP plan your cycle backwards meaning plan and order all pct items pins sterile wipes before you go rushing for the test,
FAILURE TO PLAN IS A PLAN TO FAIL also EVERY ACTION CREATES A REACTION so do your planning very very well ok.
Test e wasn't all that great imo. Sure it was fun, but just wasn't nearly as good as I expected.
Then give cyp or my favourite test hep a run ???? stacked with EQ with a 4wk prop kicker instead of d/bol.
This will need a cycle length of approx 12/14wks.
So since you guys said I shouldn't run tren yet, would I be better off going with say NPP? or, what would you guys recommend? I don't have the orals yet, so they aren't a must.
tread-mI'd have to see what you look like here brother so I'll look and see if you have something up recent. Phisique is a different animal in that you can't roll up in there water hosed the F up and grained out like a race horse! Lol vike nailed this with diet and btw with his diet suggestion there if you even think about the cycle you have here and are already tight and in good shape you'll end up having to flatten out a lot to have a shot at a phisique placing IMO. From what I see its much smoother and more magazine cover so not much on the vascular side, not "too cut" showing much in striation. I think you roll slow with diet work and carb work, forget about tren this early the comp is not the end of your world here and roll diet as discussed with an 8 week prop run going into the show and I actually do like the var close moderate for this comp. Its an 8 week prop cycle for me in this situation at 150 eod and bust your ass on carbs. I would close with only 40-60 split on the var in the final 4 weeks. Again, not wanting too much effect here IMO for this comp, its clean and smooth not branch Warren vascularity. If you know your carb work you pull this off easy and may even have to slow the roll as you get to clsoing couple weeks. I'm still dropping estro here in the final 2 weeks but not killing iit completely given the comp here. Same with water, still some water work in the end but not overboard in the dehydrate in the last couple days. You drink tons of water, very very low sodium and in the final 2 weeks kill the sodium to almost nothing to stay clean and force the water out with your high end water consumption and AI. You're new to this, slow down for F sake and let it come, itsa process and you can enjoy the whole roll here as you come through it. Make sure you have your liver supps and all supps including your dht helper and aromasin on hand. Nolv/clomid pct I suspect you have covered ?
thanks for the very in depth response.Here is a pic of me this morning.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd190/Portman1234/5-2-121.jpg
My diet has consisted of 7 meals, carbs only at breakfast and post workout. Oats in the am, and banana post workout. Other than that, I've relied on boiled chicken, lean beef, eggs, liquid egg whites, and some powders.
tread-mYeah that carb work alone is going to peel you, looks nice brother. I go to more side lateral delt work, keep pounding chest going heavier and same on arms. You're gettin there bud, the journey is the goal , enjoy every day of it.
Sheeet youre running hot today brother,careful you dont wear out that key pad LMaooo.
tread-mJust chasin my padna brother! Lol
An alternate to dbol is tbol (Turinabol) - less water retention. However, if you have access to prop then definitely use that to taper
No tren, No d/bol, use a prop kicker with the test and EQ you have posted,i would use anavar to finish but if you have the winny go with that for the last 4 weeks, you need to drop carbs to no more than 100 grams pr day all taken in the AM only protein after that,you will see results from this if you are srtict with the diet.
Hope you have PCT planned bro ?????the winny will shut you down real hard.
Once you finish the cycle you are on, run proper PCT, you give yourself time to evaluate your first cycle. Check your diet, training. Then plan your next cycle in proper time to what your goals are for that competition your going to. Dont rush into anything. Read up on these compounds more. I personally would not run the Tren 2nd cycle, but thats just me.
HardLuck13Give some stats and cycle history man.
I've done one test e cycle. Kick-started it with 50mg dbol ed for 5 weeks.Weeks 1-10 were 500mg, 11-15 were 750mg. Went from 205-233lbs. Currently cutting and am 216lbs and have dropped about 3% bf.