posted Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:39
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Prop; Tren A cycle...dosing question
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Ive heard different things about this cycle..1) is that the test should be run higher and 2) is that the tren should be run higher since its 3-5x more anabolic...Ive run 5 successful cycles and am looking to add tren into the mix but....starting at 35mgs per day just to test the waters... question is if Im running 35mgs of tren daily would i really run a lower dose of prop? would that even be worth it?
also thinking about finishing off with var 40-50mgs daily...so cardio is do-able.
all comments and concerns are appreciated...thanks
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unlimited have you made your decision on what and how your running your cycle?
unlimitedHey man sorry, work has me on 16 hour shifts the last few days...i think im gonna run a lite prop, npp cycle primarily due to the fact that im in the hospitality industry and I really cant take any chance...dealing with drunk and demanding people is a situation where patience is greatly needed..
thikning 100mgs prop ed
75mgs npp ed
any thoughts and concerns noid?
You'll like the NPP. I like it better than deca. You'll get the benefits deca offers without a ton of water retention. Great choice and refreshing to see someone heed the warnings on tren! +1
unlimitedawesome,thanks!
No that sounds good, ive done several of those cycles, nice and peaceful cycles with good gains. Much much better brother, tren is a serious NO NO in your field and in general. Good decision!
unlimitedhaha...ok cool...wow I really appreciate your input noid...whew..I was so apprenhensive about the tren train but feel at ease with my new choice now...maybe one day, maybe not.
X2 brutha...
Hey little boy who is in here downvoting why don't u have the balls to post something with ur name attached. Let's see who comes out and plays with us!!! Downvoting based on opinion is a violation of the rules and I would love to see what ur name is. Come out and play with the grownups MIJO!!
Just threw a thumbs up to you guys! Cant stand alittle bitch down voting for shit like that
unlimitedoh i saw it, the negative points...ahh no worries children will be children regardless of age, I dont have much faith in the majority of people actually being intelligent these days..but I agree with ya GS..who is this little one hiding in the shadows?
unlimitedwhats the downvoting about?
it doesnt really matter cause it doesnt count! shows as a negitive or a positive but doesnt effect the points
AnonNot to sure why someone would thumbs down Roid Noid for asking about research on sides. This is crazy. The sides are no joke. You have to have a stable mind for this shit. I have conversations going on in my head I get pissed off and cant get over it for hours. I have to tell myself its the tren do not react but if I was clueless on the sides I would have killed someone by now. This could just be me everyone is different but side research is important.
unlimitedwho gave him thumbs down?
Anonu cant tell but someone did
unlimitedthats kinda lame..for some reason and call me crazy..i think he knows what he might be talking about when it comes to AAS...lmfao
leeboyI like tren higher than the test very little sides that way, not sure why everyone seems to be afraid of tren on here, but after 5 cycles your ready to give it a go.
If for any reason you don't get on with it, no problem with the ace ester just drop it, it will be out of your system in a few days then add in something else like NPP instead.
Start at 50mg per day and work up to your comfortable dose (shooting everyday keeps blood levels more constant lowering sides)
Run test at around 300mg per week.
Drink plenty of water on tren as it tends to turn your pee yellow/orange lol and keep the cycle to around 8 weeks.
have you researched tren sides? what do you expect will happen to you side wise?
unlimitedi have...insomnia, night sweats, overwhelming aggression + aggitation...i work in the hospitality industry and need my personality and ability to reason in a calm and patient manner...every cycle in the past has allowed me to do so, Ive never been much of an agreesive or confrontational person to begin with tho
Insomnia is a game changer by itself, tren crepes up on me very slowly and really I cant tell its happening until it happens, brother im a mature cat that can handle situations for the most part very calmly. However after 20 days on tren, plus the lack of sleep adding up I began to get irritated alot easier, paticularly when the kids didnt listen or things didnt go my way. I knew that if I blew up my wife would have blamed it on roids and I or they would have been gone, so I kept my cool and very seriously thought about everything I said cause I wanted to snap the fuck out all the time. To be perfectly honest with you I really didnt realize HOW wound tight I was till I came off cycle, it was wierd brother but every day for like a week I felt more at peace, it has been this way for all my tren cycles, its like taking a norco but one that is slow acting and takes a week to fully kick. thats when you really see how bad it was!...Now with that being said I STRONGLY ADVISE YOU TO CONSIDER A DIFFERENT COMPOUND, theres many more that you havent ran that wont do this to you, and will get the job done! We can surely set you up with something that would be effective for you, if your interested. If your still set on running tren then we can go from here.
Noid I was completely blown away how wound up I was when I came off my last run. I used Tren e and didn't really adjust my dosages correctly. This Tren cycle Im using the ace and have been constantly adjusting the dose depending on my mood and tolerance. I first started really low 50mg day 1-4 then I bumped it up to 100mg for the next few wks. Did really good. Then I got a hair up my ass to try 150mg eod and man it was a bad move. I readjusted my dose to 100and in 3 day I was back to normal. The fact that I could do this with ace really saved me from a major meltdown. I don't think I'll ever run Tren e for this reason alone.
Roidnoid has always given me good advise with the regards to running the tren train.
1) I am a believer in lower test reason being is we only have so many androgen receptors and when I run tren, I want more tren to bind to the AR than test. 2) I would run the prop at 50 mg ed and the ace at 75-100mg ed. Start at 50mgs of Ace and see if you can handle the sidea, up the dose to 75mgs ed then to 100. Run the Ace and prop cycle for 10 weeks add Var @ 50mgs ed weeks 8-16. But this is how I ran my cycle.
Test prop 50 mgs ed weeks 1-16
Tren Ace 50-100mgs ed weeks 1-10
Var 50 mgs ed weeks 10-18
Use as needed, throughout cycle
Cabergoline . 25 mgs eod
Aromasin .25 mgs eod
PCT
Clomid weeks 1-4 @ 100/100/50/50
Aromasin weeks 1-4 .25mgs ed
unlimited16 weeks of prop seems a bit excessive, no? especially being such a short ester...whats your take on this?
i feel like my prop gains have always maxed out at 10-12 weeks
I don't think 16 weeks is excessive for prop. On a cycle like this since you have tren and var, you're trying to maximize they're benefits.the test is just to keep your nuts and girlfriend happy.lol
Am I the only one who thinks a guy who has only run test and winny in the past is taking a big leap to tren??????? Where is the gradual progression. Where is the msucle memory going to come from. Where is the aggression that always comes from tren going to find a release. Call me old fashioned but there needs to be a gradual builup or lead up to Tren. That's like learning how to shoot a .22 pistol and the next gun u have is a Ak-47.
Well I don't get agressive on tren or any gear for that matter, in fact all my friends say I'm a lot nicer when I'm on. Lol, but to answer your question I think all cycles are a learning process and at least its ace and prop on a second cycle, if the sides get to bad he can just come off the tren, and run prop and var. As long as you know your body and how to combat sides and what compound its coming from,then your good.
unlimitedi just didnt feel like typing out every single cycle with every compound with every mg....ive also run NPP...dbol....masteron and EQ
That woulda been good to know my man. Mg isn't something we need to know but u made it look like it was test and winny. Tren is no joke. It had me taking on 6cops and a taser and hogties. And I still think I won! Anyhow have all ur homework done before u start since u hinted that u will do it anyway. If u are in the hospitality biz and are used to getting shitty custys or patrons just think about it. Lack of sleep, nightmares, smelly sweat, agression, zero patience, restlessness, invincibility complex, lack of regard for personl safety or freedom. Health issues like raised toxicity levels that impact the liver. BP related dizziness and headaches. That'd just a few of the sides. Oh and Tren dick is a side for some. Look at how to combat all those sides and u will be ready. And even a low dose is enough to throw some guys over the edge. Use ace for ur first cycle. U can bail out quicker. When done right Tren is the almighty stack on top of test. Do it right. Good luck.
unlimitedyeah my bad...but hey thanks for all the input... I totally appreciate your time
DarksideSixI completely agree with this. I've ran a few tren cycles and currently about a month in on my Prop/Tren ace cycle.
I'm currently running prop at about 350wk and tren at 550-600wk and that for me is the seet spot!
Can u post some more info? Stats and previuos cycles would be a start. Also past sides u have had with the compounds u have run.
unlimitedsure thang...6'1'' 200 10-12%bf cycle here's my last 3 cycles 1 :test prop 10weeks @ 450mgs pw
2 prop 10 weeks @ 600 mgs pw
3 sust 350for 16 weeks @ 750 pw + winstrol @ 50mg ed (6weeks)
thnks
Maybe we can get viking1 in here but I honestly without getting u upset should try other less aggressive compounds. With that history would n't u like to see what EQ or Deca could do? Maybe since ur BF is low u could do a cutter and hit singles! There are so many combos that u could try. What exactly is ur goal for this cycle?
U can tell some Nooob with no karma was in here downvoting!! Get a clue and maybe you'll have enuf karma to matter MIJO!
unlimitedi just have this fascination with tren just as i did with dbol 3 yrs ago....I'll prolly run it anyway..keeping it low and playing it smart.