posted Wed, 11/30/2011 - 03:24
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painfull pin after a few days
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Hasn't happen before but this cycle I'm using test e 500mg week n tren e at 400mg a week..anyways ? Is I'm on week 4 and the pins aren't getting any easier! I've rotated sites n everything..mostly pin my ass but seems as though lumps or oil buildup taking alot longer to go away..any help would be appreciated thanks!
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AnonAlso, a lot of it will depend on where the gear is from..aka, who is making it.
AnonHoly shit..thats crazy PIP..try the heating pad at night..massaging it...asking girls at the gym to massage your ass...
tread-mI find in my experience the ass massage needs some nails involved OJ. Just a tip for the newbs. There seems to be some additional endorphins secreted when nails are applied and it seems to speed up the healing process..my .02
beavisI was getting lumps and sore ass cheeks from test cyp from the src that takes forever to deliver. Doctor told me to use a heating pad to help get some blood in there to speed up healing. I had to switch to a different brand that I have for next run cause i just couldn't take the pip anymore for a bit, was getting to many bumps to inject around.
I have reached that point - I have way too many lumps the size of smashed golf balls to continue. Time to switch...$600 wasted :(
I'm also switching 3 weeks into the cycle due to the knots that I'm getting. I'm getting some .22 whatman filters, hopefully that will take care it, i really don't feel like losing ten vials of gear either.
Dude, please let me know if filtering eliminates this problem. I invested way too much to just have all this sit around.
Will do man but it propbably won't be for a couple months until I run a cutter. I'm scrapping this cycle cause I ran outta places to inject, I'm sure injecting more oil into a golfball sized lump isn't goning to do any good. The gear is def g2g but the knots that stick around for a week are ridculous.
My sentiments exactly
Damn brother, Just rub the area. Sounds like some crazy ass pip.
hmmmm. recently i added a little tren ace 0.3ml/day to kick start my cycle and finish the tren ace i have. the pip is there...in fact when i pinned it i can feel the burn. when i pinned the 2.6ml cocktail (1ml test-e + 1.3ml 1-test-cyp + 0.3ml tren ace) into my outer thigh, the pip is awful. i can feel the burn minutes after injecting. there is a lump but nothing serious...still able to jog and do my leg-press...just no squating down. keep massaging it and u will feel better...heatpacks work well too.
Ha well I too am suffering from this however I am using Axio DPL4fifty from swiftpax. I too had never experienced it either. Prior to reading this post I was putting it down to a high concentration as well. Back in the old days the strongest gear was sus250. All your test's and Nandrolones were all 50-100 mg per ml. So the only 2 things I could put this down to was the higher concentration of gear per ml or it was bunk gear. Due to the results that are starting to appear it def isn't bunk so I put it down to the concentration. Hey Nasty after it has been heated and re-absorbed won't it be the same any way as it cools. Isn't this due to the lower temp in the body and it will crystalize again at that temp. Well thats what PIP is any way.
I am experiencing the exact same issue with the exact same compounds. Are you by chance using Optimal Labs? I have cut the dosage in half and the pain and knots are the same. This Monday I even separated the compounds to try and figure out which was causing it - now I have two sore as hell spots with knots.
My symptoms: The initial injection goes smoothly, but around day 3 I have a large knot and the entire area is tender and painful. After 7-10 days this fades. I have never encountered this issue to this degree over the many years I have been in this game.
Only two things are "new" for me. First: I have always used other esters, this is my first time using enanthate. Second: This is my first time using AB's Optimal Labs. I have said in a previous post I do believe that Optimal Labs is legit gear, but I'm starting to suspect something in this stuff is causing my body to retaliate.
Sort of having the same issues as you guys. I'm using optimal labs test e, test p, EQ and tren a. I started doing ED injections with the short esters and threw pecs into the mix for the first time. PIP was pretty good on all the injection sights the first time around but has mellowed out with each injection. But after my third right pec injection I noticed a pretty good size knot there that hasn't gone down, usually it starts going down after the 2-3 day but it's still there as I'm approaching day 4. Don't think it's an infection cause it's not painful, I can massage the hell out of it, it's not hot to the touch but it is alittle red. Do you think it could be a high BA content? Or just injecting to much into a smaller muscle?
It's definetly g2g, but these damn knots suck, I'm losing injection sites. I think I'm just gonna drop the tren a and test p and keep trucking with the test E and EQ.
Here is my thread on this same issue as well http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/tren-enanthate... - those sound like the symptoms we are having. Keep us updated on that knot, I'm curious how long it will take to go away. My sites are so painful I'm getting close to just taking a big loss on the gear and switching to a more reputable lab.
Been 7 days since last pin..knots are finally going down, I tried everything to make thm disappeare..guess just takes time but that was by far most painfully pip I have ever experienced!
Yes I'm also using optimal labs..n no doubt gear is legit, but this never happen with other brands..n like u said its a knot that seems to speed, first two weeks pain was gone in 2-3 days..this last ones hurting for a week now
I've been wracking my mind over this one. I am glad that someone else out there is experiencing similar effects. This at least indicates the possibility of an unknown issue. AB has openly admitted to "cooking" all his own gear. Unfortunately there are no batch #s on any of these vials; if they had at least that we might be able to narrow the cause down significantly.
He is overwhelmed with orders and under immense pressure. The temptation to cut corners to get the gear made and shipped must be tempting although I'm not making any accusations since I have no way of getting this gear tested. The most helpful thing we can do is share our feedback and hope others do the same.
Lol idle wat deal is but like u said "glad I'm not only one" the gear is working though..strenght just started going up
Nasty81NateCould be a batch with a high BA concentration. Get ya a 22micron Whatman fliter are run it through the fiter, just get some cottonseed oil to push through at the end so you don't loose any gear in the filter. You could cook the vial at 225 for 30 minutes. I've never done the oven method, but I've heard it works. The only downside is, you have to pop the top off.
AnonIf you are getting to a point where you hate to pin and are tensing up, not going deep enough and stirring the needle you'll have more troubles. As Nasty questions mixing in the syringe seems some have a issue with that but I never had any problems. I find mixing 3-4 compounds in a 5cc never caused this either.
250 Test and 200 Tren isn't considered high dose(in my book). High dose gear can do this or not enough BB. What brand/lab is your gear?
I'm using optimal for first time..n pining doesn't bother me..just the days to follow seem to get worse
AnonBTW I recently hit a nerve or vein and pulled back and let it go kinda shallow and two days later I was hating it for a week man. I figured I left some oil between the muscle and fat layer and caused some real discomfort and a oblong knot.
On pins days you could hit some sets on the Yes/No machine . . . . I know it is a girls machine but works the oil in your muscle really good.
Def need to try that then lol..thanks!
Nasty81NateAre u putting the oils in the same pin?
I mixed the tren n prop I used to front load first two weeks..haven't since! Last injections were not mixed at all
Nasty81NateI used Optimal Prop for a cycle EOD pins...PIP was present and I got some lasting knots in my glutes after 3-4 weeks in but they werent bad enough to worry about. I just constantly massaged them out throughout the day when I was ON. Seems to make the knots go away quicker for me.
Are you shaking and warming your oil up prior to injection? How long does it take you to push the pin down? I took about 45-60 seconds to inject 2 cc of Prop. Sleeping on a heating pad at night can relieve those things too. Pop a couple Aleve in the morning for their anti-inflammatory properties.
If you pins glutes or quads try to get the gym pretty quickly and works legs, whether its with cardio or the weights, in theory it helps dispurse the pocket of oil in the muscle. If you do delts, make sure you get your arms in on that days workout in one form of another. These are all things I do, and they might be a placebo, but I feel they actually help.
I had used straight Test- E before ( 1ml) with no problem, but the same dose of "T-N-T" ( Test and Tren- E @ 250/150mg) has produced this same swelling and tenderness . . .
I have found if I clean the area first with alcohol and then apply TRAUMEEL CREAM ( for tissue swelling, strains and sprains), much clears up very quickly . .my fear with heating the area would be a premature dissipation of the oil . .speeding up the absorption BUT cutting the half life in doing so . .defeating the purpose of the "bolus" so to speak . .
Thanks for the info..n yea I'm about same with pin, about 40sec or so..never injected fast before. I also try the whole advil n Bayer thing to lol n try to massage every chance posible. Never used heating pad..may just need to up the cardio n legs more who knows,but gear defe legit