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How goes it ladies and gents,
At the advice of a member that's been around for a bit I'm posting in seek of advice on whether I should run Caber with my first time on Tren A?
My cycle will be;
Test E 500mg a week
Eq 400mg a week
Tren A 50mg Ed if sides occur will reduce to 35mg ed.
This being my first time with Tren I picked Tren A on account that if side effects occur they can be quickly diminished due to the fast ester.
I had planned on running it without caber to see how I react to it so that I can place all findings into a 20week planner I've converted into a cycle journal.
In my previous cycles of test e/ decca or test e/ eq I have had little to no sides at 16-20 week cycles and always kept most of my gains as long as diet and training are modified accordingly.
So in short I'm looking for thoughts on to run my proposed cycle with or with out Caber.
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Steveb400 EQ is a waste in my experience, especially if you're looking for more strength. That does might be good if you're looking for more endurance.
Thanks. The personal feedback is great. What for you was an optimal dose and what gains did you feel were expressive at that dose?
Steveb1200mg a week was a good experience. I was very disappointed when I used it at under 800mg a week.
It is very good at making you hungry and giving you stamina. But for strength there are better choices.
Holy hell that must have been a big a shot. Thank you for your insight.
StevebI was using 600mg EQ so it was not that much oil.
Was wondering about that add I'm getting some test e 500 to help minimize my shots.
I read everything up to the point where you said you were powerlifting .. imo you would do better off with classic test deca/npp cycle or even stack with eq/npp for strength gains and powerlifting .. to me tren is more about "looks' as opposed to practicality. Most powerlifters aren't concerned with excessive leaness or looking hard .. it is all about the lifts and given the potential issues that tren poses it falls into the same boat as winstrol ... if you aren't a professional being monitored by doctors leave it alone.
the eq.. dosage is way too low. I'm running 800mg a week and seeing fantastic results coming to the end of my cycle of 20wks .. your diet is going to determine the quality of lean gains .. as for the caber there are reasons to run and not to run. I generally advise people to have it on hand and or if they have had issues in the past to run it.
The powerlifters are only going to be helping with my squat and benching to get my weights up on them. I have country strength meaning my back and gets way out of proportion grew hauling hey from 7 then 6 years of the Corps hiking with a ruch and pull ups almost everyday.
Other than that my diet and training will be honed towards bodybuilding and catching up weak spots, until i have planned for the next cycle.
Thanks for the heads up on the lowdo. Since this is going to be my first proper run with eq (bad cycle info first time) what are your thoughts for 600mg a week?
Damn Grrl I owe you a gift basket by now.
up the dose to at least 750/800 and given that you are a virtual baby on the road to bodybuilding put the tren away until you are getting ready for a comp
Yes ma'am :/ lol
you wont see any definitive effects from the eq until late in the cycle .. it does happen to be a personal favorite of mine
IMO this being your 1st run with tren i would leave the eq out. Add in mast on you're 2nd half of the cycle as I feel this compliments the tren. As far as the caber,when i ran it with tren I would start it after my 3rd week @.5mg's e3d. I ran tren before without caber but I never felt i needed it other than having a small sexual side effect of not being able to pop off during sex in a timely manner.
But as you stated get the opinions of the more seasoned vets.
+1 for using these forums to gather the knowledge to run a safe cycle.
Very well. Thank you for the heads up. Ill fr you and if you wouldn't mind keep me posted how that level of eq treats you. If not no sweat.
Ive found on varying source sites that 400 to 600 mg a week is the sweet spot 400 for leaner gains 600 more towards mass. As I said this is conflicting from source. So due to what I've gathered and how easy I have gained size in the past this is why I arrived at 400. Thoughts?
All bulking or cutting goals aside, why run eq with it? Experince the power of trenbolone alone to gauge its true effectiveness and not confuse any positive or negative effects with the eq. See what tren on it own can really do and then later in stack it. Tren alone will do all that tren wih eq will do. Tren is so strong it will overpower everything else. I'm busy so that's all I can add at the moment but I'll chime in later.
Rustyhooker3rd cycle bro....
Awesome thanks greatly.
RustyhookerMight help to post up full plan, goals etc. Many prior cycles? Stats?
Roger
My last cycle consisted of
Test e 600mg/wk
Deca 400mg/wk
I really took off at first going from 177 to about 210 with in 90 days. Most of this I account to my job at a steel supplier where I would hand load 25k to 30k pounds a night by hand and pry bar onto a side fork. Later into the cycle (ran 20wks) I felt that my receptors were getting write out or that my sources batches became inconsistent. My peak weight was 217 with a dirty diet. After pct I dipped to 210, ive spent the last 6 months lifting and eating clean just maintaining. Kept 900 pound leg pies for 3 sets of 8 pr. I'm currently sitting at 202 and bmi 14% according to a recent bmi test.(idk how accurate the caliper was).
My current goal... I aim for 230 as a weight under 14% bmi this will be my pr for weight and plan on using this cycle to help start my lifts with some local power lifters. They know I'll be on cycle and we'll be coaching my lifts to assure no over doing and risking my joints tendons and ligaments.
RustyhookerFor bulk like you're aiming for you might be best sticking to what you know. Deca is a classic big bulker the way you ran it. I'll let the deca guys advise you as I'm not a deca guy yet.
Eq I love for gains. It's a cycle of patience but the deca/eq debate comes into play. Deca guys love the faster gains. 14 weeks and done. Eq is 20. I'm running eq again in march but much different goals. I'd say repeat the deca cycle.
Side note my only time on eq I was given piss poor cycle info from the old source(10weeks @300mg a wk). So now doing my own research I plan on trying eq at a proper 20 week cycle instead of letting broscience dictate my cycles. I'll do my own research and rely on feed back from proven vets like you.
That's why I picked eq was to run paired with my test for 20 with a front load. But also because it is said to have a synergistic effect with the Tren. Thoughts?
If it's pure bulk I'm with Rusty here, Deca with the EQ. Exactly what I'm currently doing, test / EQ / deca / eat everything.
I'll keep that in mind for winter this year!
Lean bulk I should out right say. Forgot to mention that another appeal for me was tren a melts stubborn fat away. I've observed this on my behemoth buddy I work with, guy had a six pack in two weeks standing at 6'6" around 300 isn't easy for him.
RustyhookerTren might be too hard on shutdown especially after deca. Mast will definitely help keep you dry. Eq running long helps clean up. It's all foods that direct you.
Eq begins booming bout week 11. So test/mast/deca get the initial bulk first half. Mast/test/eq holds less water. Imo the tren will make recovery damn hard and lose the gains.
Catalyst knows deca better. Test500...Eq 600..mast 400 imo.
Ok I'm open to adjusting the cycle. I was hoping to run tren to broaden my horizons. Any advice on how to possibly incorporate it in the proposed cycle beneficially since I'll have 8wks of it on hand (only planned on doing 6 weeks @50mg ed). If not I guess I'll set it aside. But I was going to get jiggy with it haha.
RustyhookerTren is overrated imo . Unless you're going on stage there's better ways. Grrl up top is competitive and knows her stuff.
At your stage I definitely wouldn't run deca and tren in the same cycle and ideally not in concurrent cycles. To me that's an ugly and lengthy recovery waiting to happen. If you're set on running tren then go for it, but I think you could achieve what you're looking for and possibly more effectively without the roller coaster.
Sent you a fr bub
My planned cycle included tren a test e and eq.
That's all about your diet mate.
For sure I hear you there, I'm not playing that down fn 50(fundamentals of nutrition) for my degree was an eye opener.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^ Catalyst just posted basically my upcoming cycle. Npp for me but deca in there for his goals :).
900lb leg pies? That's one hell of a pie, even I couldn't eat one of those.....
Hmm if it was a pic it only shows up as square outline.
Oh well......
RustyhookerThat's one big woman ; p . Lol
Fupa maximus
RustyhookerSnorkel time! Lol
I'm padi certified I'll get my gear out of the garage. Lol
Bwahaha my apologies.
Leg press as I'm sure you have guessed.