+ 2 Need Advice Heart Pounding through chest 2nd week of PCT
Hey,
I am 28,6`5'', 240 lb today, bf 9%. I train 6 times a week ever since i was 17 y/o and do muay thai 5 times a week and bjj 4 times a week.
I did a cycle of test E 300 mg/wk(12 weeks) and tren a 450mg/wk(10 weeks) with caber at 0.5mg/wk, i used aromasin as an ai at 12.5mg/ED ( This was my 3rd cycle, first was test E only at 500mg/wk, second test E at 500mg/wk in addition to 6 weeks of dbol at 50mg/wk at the start) . Pct was started week 15 clomid 50/50/25/25 nolva 40/40/20/20. After that everything went back to normal per bloodwork felt good libido went back to normal eventually.
So I went on a short cruise 3 months after my pct only 250mg of test E, E10D. I have decided to stop this cruise as i intend on doing a testE/EQ/HGH run at the end of the year/next year and i wanted my body to catch a break. I started my pct 2 weeks after my last test E shot at the following dosage clomid 200/100/50/50 nolva 100/40/40/20 with aromasin at 12.5 mg ED.
My issues started 2nd week of this pct( I had no issues in the first week) as my libido went down i started to have a limp dick. Also Monday( 1st day of 2nd week) my heart rate increased rapidly i feel my heart pounding through my chest i have a feeling that clomid is the culprit of my increased heart rate even when resting my heart continues throbbing.
Taking bloods 3 weeks after this pct, just wanted to ask if i should drop the clomid and aromasin as I think they might be causing my increased heart rate and just stick to nolva for the remainder of the 3 weeks and then wait another 3-4 weeks before i pull bloods. I understand that a drop in libido is expected in PCT as the exogenous test is no longer in the system but I can no longer take the heart pounding through my chest and heard that its a side effect of clomid.
I Just want some advice should i continue the pct with just nolva till the end of the 3 weeks and wait for bloods to check what is happening or should I stop the pct and do bloods then wait a while and then do HCG 1,000iu for 10 days followed by clomid 100/100/50/50 and nolva 40/40/20/20.
Any advice is welcomed especially from more advanced members on how I should proceed.
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UPDATE: BLOOD PANEL
Here are the results of my blood test after 5 days of doing HCG. My HCG blast of 1000iu ED for 10 days is finished i feel much better, erections and loads are great, sex drive is insane im back to 6-8 times a day, no more heart palipatations and everything is back to normal ofc the hcg has greatly influenced the results this was only done to see if the HCG succeeded in increasing my levels of LH and FSH which it did and thus i have now started my pct again clomid 50 mg twice a day and nolva 20 mg twice a day i am also taking Vitamin D3 (as Cholecalciferol)3,300 IU, zinc 30mg, magnesium 100mg, D-asparitic acid 3120mg, Ashwagandha Root 1000mg, Tribulus Terrestris 750mg, Fenugreek Extract 600 mg, Diindolylmethane 250mg, Nettle Extract 175 mg, DHEA 160 mg all in one blend.
Compound.........................Value............................................Normal Range..............Flag
WBC................................. 7.0 3.4-10.8................................ x10E3/uL
RBC.................................. 5.64 4.14-5.80............................ x10E6/uL
Hemoglobin....................... 16.5............................................ 13.0-17.7 g/dL
Hematocrit......................... 48.5............................................. 37.5-51.0 %
MCV................................... 86................................................ 79-97 fL
MCH................................... 29.3............................................. 26.6-33.0 pg
MCHC................................. 34.0............................................. 31.5-35.7 g/dL
RDW.................................... 13.1............................................. 12.3-15.4 %
Platelets............................... 201.............................................. 150-379 x10E3/uL
Neutrophils........................... 63................................................. Not Estab. %
Lymphs................................. 27................................................. Not Estab. %
Monocytes............................. 9.................................................. Not Estab. %
Eos........................................ 1.................................................. Not Estab. %
Basos.................................... 0.................................................. Not Estab. %
Neutrophils (Absolute)...... 4.3.................................................... 1.4-7.0 x10E3/uL
Lymphs (Absolute)........... 1.9 .....................................................0.7-3.1x10E3/uL
Monocytes(Absolute)........ 0.6.................................................... 0.1-0.9x10E3/uL
Eos (Absolute).................. 0.1.................................................... 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL
Baso (Absolute)................ 0.0 ....................................................0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL
Immature Granulocytes...... 0...................................................... Not Estab. %
Immature Grans (Abs)....... 0.0.................................................... 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL
Glucose, Serum.................. 91.................................................... 65-99 mg/dL
BUN.................................... 23.....................................................6-20 mg/dL..................High
Creatinine, Serum.............. 0.98.................................................. 0.76-1.27 mg/dL
eGFR If NonAfricn Am........ 111.................................................. >59 mL/min/1.73
eGFR If Africn Am.............. 128.................................................. >59 mL/min/1.73
BUN/Creatinine Ratio.......... 23.................................................... 9-20............................High
Sodium, Serum.................... 141................................................. 134-144 mmol/L
Potassium, Serum............... 4.2.................................................... 3.5-5.2 mmol/L
Chloride, Serum.................. 100.................................................... 96-106 mmol/L
Carbon Dioxide, Total............ 24.................................................... 18-29 mmol/L
Calcium, Serum..................... 9.8................................................... 8.7-10.2 mg/dL
Protein, Total, Serum............. 8.1................................................... 6.0-8.5 g/dL
Albumin, Serum..................... 4.8................................................... 3.5-5.5 g/dL
Globulin, Total........................ 3.3................................................... 1.5-4.5 g/dL
A/G Ratio................................ 1.5................................................... 1.2-2.2
Bilirubin, Total.......................... 0.8.................................................. 0.0-1.2 mg/dL
Alkaline Phosphatase, S......... 81.................................................... 39-117 IU/L
AST (SGOT).......................... 123.................................................... 0-40 IU/L.......................High
ALT (SGPT)............................ 41...................................................... 0-44 IU/L
Testosterone, Total, LC/MS.... 591.4.................................................. 264.0-916.0 ng/dL
Free Testosterone(Direct)...... 13.5..................................................... 9.3-26.5 pg/mL
LH............................................ 24.1....................................................1.7-8.6 mIU/mL..............High
FSH.......................................... 29.0....................................................1.5-12.4 mIU/mL............High
Estradiol................................... 17.1 ....................................................7.6-42.6 pg/mL
Heart Palipatations are minimal now they are only slight and most times can barely feel them.The HCG blast i`m on now(today is day4 1000iu daily for 10 days) has kickstarted my testes i no longer have a limp dickas my dick can mantain an erection. Getting bloods done on tuesday(thats 6 days after my last dose of clomid) results would take a week until they come through. I know the results will be misrepresented due to the hcg being present but i want to have numbers that show how i am feeling right now. The HCG thus far has kickstarted my balls hopefully the clomid and nolva will finish the job and they will increase my test levels. Will report back here once results come through as i want advice if i should continue the aromasin once i start the serms or cut it out.
I'm amazed that after going through the mental agony of a full PCT that you then decided to jump back on and do a short cruise? Then have to PCT all over again. Isn't it more than likely that your body and hormones don't know whether they are coming or going and heart palpitations are simply a part of it all.
when i did the PCT after my test/tren cycle everything went smooth no side effects what so ever. then i went on a test E cruise of a total 6250 mg and what is happening now is a result of this current PCT.
I experienced something almost identical, even started a thread on here about it, going to update it, shortly. 4 days into pct, I crashed my E with aromasin and clomid gave me really bad anxiety. Had a panic attack and couldn't breathe properly for a couple weeks. I'd never felt like that before in my life. Went to the ER after 3 days of not being able to catch a satisfying breath, everything checked out fine. After getting off everything for PCT, I got back on low dose clomid for a few days, anxiety started creeping back. Clomid was the most likely culprit, it sounds the same for you. Still riding it out, 2 months post cycle, bloods are "normal" but I don't feel too great. Herbal test boosters and 12 days of 3g D-aspartic acid have helped mask physical symptoms and I think they've helped some recovery. Tribulus helped my libido. Getting with my jits buddies and talking to them helped me, mentally, I told some of them about what I went through, but just being around them helped, and I learned about their secret battles, too. Going through it brought me a lot closer to my teammates, and I have now a profound appreciation and respect for people living with anxiety. Hope that helps.
Thanks for your response man. I think what happened to me was anxiety and fear as a result of my dick going kaput caused by a 100mg ED of nolva that caused a loss in sexual interest and ED of my dick then 200 mg ED of clomid which brought in anxiety as a result of fearing my dick wont work again.
I have now bailed on this PCT and i am now blasting 1,000iu HCG(ovunal) ED for 10 days to regain testicular function with 12.5 mg ED aromasin, 2 days in my dick is getting hard again and some sperm comes out as well better than nothing 3 days ago(sorry for that) and my heart is slowly going back to normal only slight flutters now unlike 3 days before, I intend to go back on clomid/nolva 100/100/50/50 and 40/40/20/20 once the 10 day blast is over and hopefully all works out well when i do bloods after 7 weeks out of this process.
Doctor told me that my anxiety is a result of the pct meds should i continue pct or stop it and try again later?
I will continue with my pct clomid/nolva have to soldier through since i need to get my balls working again (I am shutdown as of now and the doctor suspects that this is the reason of my anxiety) after that 6-8 weeks break then bloods if my body isnt back to normal by then i will do another pct HCG 1000iu for 10 days ED with aro at 12.5mg/ED for 10 days then clomid and nolva 100/100/50/50 and 40/40/20/20
Just returned from the ER, EKG is normal, no evidence of blood cots or heart attack in the lungs and x-rays were normal no high bp or hr either. Told the doc I was on pct after my cruise and he concluded that i am having anxiety in reaction to the pct and everything willl stabalise once i am off.
So nothing to worry about ED thinking I am dying and what not, hopefully all goes well.
Manned up n went to the doc.... +1
Good to hear you’re not gonna die....put this experience in your toolbox, ANY aas can cause health issues...doesn’t matter what the compound is or how many times you’ve used it, it can bite you square in the ass at anytime.....
That being said, I’m off to Zumba class....good luck to you
Are you taking any stimulants? Supplements? Prescribed or non-prescribed medication?
Any dramatic changes in your personal life such as work, family issues, etc?
If you still have this issues and you are still here! Dude. Seriously...
Get to fucking hospital right away yy.
I know you really really really want people to tell you it’s the Clomid. So badly that you probably won’t listen to a bro who has taken high doses of Clomid (That’s Me).
Sorry. I’m not going to tell you what you want to hear. I’d be willing to bet it’s not the Clomid.
Go to a doc and get checked out before you die. Don’t be a dumbass. You don’t dick around with heart issues.
i will tonight or tomorrow trying to get a hold of my doctor.
NotNatural23Anxiety related to tren use I bet. probably made your anxiety you had before worse. quit tren and see if it goes away. might take awhile.
never had anxiety before in my life. tren was stopped 10 months ago this pct is for a test E cruise so i can stay off till the end of the year problem occured only on 2nd week i am guessing its because i took a high dose of clomid/nolva 200/100 first week.
RustyhookerSounds like a troll. Bored again? Folks said er but youre trolling them with chatter and excuses. Hahaha!!! Funny story bro!!
thats not funny man i am hurting if it doesnt improve i will go to the er not trolling just looking for advice.
RustyhookerIts very funny. Folks said GO TO ER....yet youre here making excuses. Thats trolling. Sellin wolf cookies bruh
If your heat is pounding through your chest go to the ER none of us juice monkeys are doctors. We can sit here and throw out ideas or suggestions but that's all they are.
Good luck.
Even if i go to the ER they will take my bp( which isnt high) but they wont be able to do anything else for me since i cant tell them im on pct now after a blast/cruise. Heard that Serms might induce a high bp maybe that`s why went overkill 1st week clomid/nolva 200/100 now 100/40 so hopefully it becomes better.
If you have to choose between telling them that you are in pct and dying. You don’t choose dying.
I know that’s hard to comprehend but dying is dead. You do not pass go. You do not collect 200 dollars. You are dead....and more than likely going to hell.
In hell you will be a homo slave to Hitler and Ted Bundy. Do you really want that?
That’s right. Sometimes you just have to come out of the closet about your juicing. Especially if you are dying.
Hope that helps.
All my love, no homo
Ed
In this case it might be better to be honest and tell them exactly what you are on,
It will help them to help you and you won’t get in trouble because they have laws to protect you
tested blood pressure again it returned at 122/68 with 86 pulse. So that rules out blood pressure my best bet is that this is my reaction to pharma grade clomid( used an ugl previously) and it will subside after pct just have to push through and keep checking bp.
Be safe bro! But if it persists I wouldn’t hesitate to go get checked
for sure bro will continue clomid at 100 this week, next week i will drop to 50 and i will keep it that way and hopefully all works well. Since I dont have high bp it most likely is anxiety from fluctuating hormones while on pct hopefully i forget about it.
basskiller89I prefer to consider myself a juice troll due to the height restrictions I have lol
Your heart beating through your chest is likely from trenbolone enanthate. I highly doubt Clomid is why. Panic attacks? Anxiety? Finish your pct with Clomid and take a break. Unfortunately you need Clomid right now because of the choices you have already made. Be safe and smart. If your sure Clomid is causing this well your in trouble. How are you going to get your balls working properly?
Only took tren a 11 months ago approx. I most likely think i am having a panic attack as I got robbed at gun point sunday morning then i got sad later the day and this started on monday so I am hoping that is the case going to finish last 3 weeks of clomid and nolva and then wait 6 weeks before pulling bloods to check.
If tren was that long ago it's not that. I'm guessing anxiety and panic attacks are making your heart feel like that. Just stay strong a few more weeks and just continue getting to gym and do cardio to help anxiety. Mind over matter, if you don't mind..it dont matter.
Thanks man i will stick with it for the rest of the 3 weeks. And like you said if i dont mind it wont matter, the thing is its getting too annoying i never had anxiety/panic attacks before this is the first time it happened and usually those attacks last an hour max but as for me my heart was racing for the past 2 days straight and still is even as i type this. Hopefully all is well.
Feel your pulse in inside of wrist and count beats for 60 seconds. What is your heart rate? Go get your blood pressure checked at a CVS or rite aid with those machines. Is your blood pressure high? The swings in hormones can give you anxiety. Don't use tren again ever. It will make anxiety worse. You should be less anxious soon. If your not you need to call a doctor and get something to calm you down to help in mean time
I counted my heart rate at 85 bpm like you asked, will go to a store near me once they open for blood pressure testing to see if that is a problem if all is good does that mean its just anxiety due to the hormones being absent i was cruising on test E prior to starting this PCT, tren a was stopped long ago didn`t have this problem when i came off tren 10-11 months ago. I will report once i check blood pressure.
85 is good. Stay strong a few weeks and it will be over. Clomid makes me crazy too. I'll watch a movie and cry. Emotional like a girl. It's your hormones changing
Clomid can make your mood swing around alot. Remember it's only temporary and will be ok once your done. I can cry like a baby when I use it. It's normal your body trying to stabilize. This is causing the issues. Go for a good walk will help your anxiety. Gotta sweat it out
My blood pressure came back at 137/65, pulse/min 83 .That`s Pre high blood pressure going to continue pct hopefully everything goes back to normal at the end.
Those are perfect numbers. Lowering Clomid dose should help you. You took a tremendous lol dose. Keepbus posted
True bro bp and heart rate are normal nothing too crazy, just an insane dose of clomid/nolva 200/100( forgot i got pharma) going to finish this week at 100/40 then i will go clomid/nolva 50/50/50 40/40/20 hope all goes well thx for your input man.
First thing I would do is check my blood pressure.