These were purchased, when he had the buy one, get a freebie promo. I really wish I would've bought more from him at the time, instead of a trial order. Had a little shipping mishap; & am currently awaiting a reship with the rest of the order : ) He's a good dude. I feel comfortable giving him my relatively austere gear budget, knowing I'll be taken care of, & still made to feel valued no matter how much $, I'm spending. I honestly had a good a good feeling about mutagenics since the day I 1st Pm'd him. He's truly as genuine as they come. You have my word on that : )