+ 6 So you wanna know the truth?
Bloods don't lie right?...tellin the truth here. So...I have been running 5IU's of Rips now for at least six weeks, and I started at 2-3IU's back on Sept. 15th or so. Looks as though my T4 and thyroid in general is okay(?), and I am NOT taking ANY supplemental T4(right now). I am thinking that this rule generally talked about when dosing 3IU's or more could be possible bullshit? It's so hard to say, unless you're an endocrinologist willing to lend a hand, but I will settle for more experienced knowledge from the community. Point of the situation here is if you got the money for gear then you got money for bloods and BLOODS don't lie, so go get bloods before taking ANY T4..or you might f$ck yourself up!!??!! But who really knows around here?!?!?!? Is this Russian roulette or not?
Now...I have been running some BigD test E and deca...more proof that his gear is G2G, lol. I know there are haters out there...and there always will be brothers!!
Been taking 12.5mg of asin ED from ARL...and 50mg's of Pro-V ED(numerous brands), and my estro is still kinda high. What do I do now...take 25mg ED?
Lastly, and I am sure this will help a few of you out...but I have been taking SunPharma caber from ADC, and it seems my prolactin levels are okay. Maybe I got a REAL batch, since there is word that they have been dealing counterfeits? I have the same caber from NextDay, and I took a few of them here and there to try and tell if ADC's were legit. Prior to the tests though, I was taking ADC straight thru to see if I personally could confirm on the labs? That's all...any advice and comments are much appreciated 
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UFOWell damn, I just bought a bunch of T4 for my first GH run too but am sketched out about it. Once you fuck up your T4/T3 levels isnt it permanent? Also, did you do this test through your doc or online? My state now does not allow you to do private blood testing, you have to go through a doctor. Im a little nervous about what mine will say if I come in with sky high HGH levels and Testosterone levels...
I bought a small amount of T4 in preperation for my testing(just in case I would need it), turns out that right now I don't. I have been discussing this with NUMEROUS members in PM and such...that doesn't mean that I won't need it come sometime in the future from running GH over long periods, I mean..I am going to run GH FOREVER higher OR lower doses. I guess over time...and after you begin seeing your numbers on your test start to alter is when you begin thinking about supp'ing the T4.
I took that shit for about 2-3 days, only 25mcg's to read my body and I began feeling like straight garbage...in the evenings, all cold and tired as hell...had to crawl under my down comforter and take a pre-bed nap, LOL!!! I normally don't feel like that...and it was indicative of me NOT needing the thyroid support. The thyroid is your temperature and metabolism regulator, and I sure as hell don't have that problem as I am almost always warm and I stay lean even on a bulker all vascular and shit, lol.
To answer your questions more thoroughly, I wouldn't just take thyroid support without getting bloods done first...because, YES you can f$ck yourself up pretty permanently if you don't need it. In my case, those couple days didn't hurt me...it was just an experiment...and I've been thru a few of those, lol. I do bloods thru privatemdlabs..
so yes, it was online.
My best advice to you is go to the doctor and be upfront with him, tell him what you are doing and that you are going to do it regardless of what he says and then see what he says...I think most docs would still treat you and get some bloods done for ya...doctor/patient confidentiality, f$ck 'em...you'll find one eventually that will be cool with it anyway, shop around, lol.
UFOThanks for that reply...guess Ill wait to have bloods taken while running the gh before doing anything with T4. Question about the GH. You said you felt shitty and tired only after taking the T4, did you ever feel like a zombie just from the hgh? Thats what I'm worried about is feeling super tired and lazy from running the GH so I've been holding off. How long you been on it and do you feel the effects yet? You are literally running the same cycle that I plan on starting in about a month excpet Im going to use dbol for a kick and proviron throughout. (Test,Deca,dbol,viron,HGH) This is my first time with gh so Im sucking up as much info as possible, but I cant find any fucking bac water to save my life!!
I never felt lethargic/zombified from the GH...I didn't/don't get that side from it. I been on rips since 9/15/12...started at 2-3IU's/day till start of cycle 11/4...and ramped up dose to 4IU, then 5..been on 5 since then 6on/1off. I started feeling and seeing effects in only six weeks really...but I am still getting results today of course. It's helping gain some good cleaner mass with this deca run, I am bulking and still have veins popping out around my waistline and shit. I've even been eating dirtier too...I know I shouldn't, but it's winter, running a bulker...and I am on GH, so it is what it is, lol. Bac water...there was a shortage for a lil' while...there's a few places that still have it. Shoot me a PM and I will try and help.
UFONice thanks again bro...Ill shoot u a PM
+1 for posting bloods
I think your Aromasin may be under dosed. I was taking asin during my last cycle and had estro rebound 2 wks after I finished my cycle. I supplemented with aromasin at 12.5 every other day and did bloods 2wks after that and my estro came in at 9. So I would think its your AI. I would jump it to 25mgs a day for 2 days and drop back down again. As far as your thyroid even though you came in range on your TSH at 3.5 there has been talk by endo Drs trying to lower the max range on THS to 3.0 because they feel that a lot of patients are being mis-diagnosed in that they are hypothyroid and have symptoms but their test come back in range.Usually in the upper 30% of the normal range.I have to agree with Gorillafit. Since your in the upper range it means your body is producing more THS to stimulate t-4 production. An optimum range for THS would be in the lower end.The reason they say to supplement is that T-3 lowers when using more than 3IU of HGH and T-4 converts to T-3. +1 for posting
Wow..you had estro rebound with asin?...I'm surprised as I thought asin was a suicide inhibitor meaning that it latches on to the estro, holds it and kills it, for lack of a scientific definition! That's why I looked into running it as opposed to adex. I got some letro on hand too...thoughts? I am elevating my AI today...see how it turns out. Interesting points on the thyroid...I am taking all this into consideration, that's why I wanna post shit like this. Thank u.
I thought so to but all I know is that 2 wks after my last inj I started to have the signs. I don't like Adex as it drys me out to much and kills my shoulders. I haven't used letro but it's interesting compound. I read numerous studies on human males. In those studies it drops estro from 65%-80% in men. I just see so many post that it drops it 98%. That's not true in real world studies in men. Letro is great for gyno where you have a lump. Only thing I know that will reverse it. It also will raise natural test levels.
silverback89good shit man cant go wrong with rips
Regarding the T4, your TSH is pretty high at 3.55 even though your free T4 is close to the high side. So your body wants more T4 in my opinion. By not supplementing T4 your thyroid is working overtime I would think? I don't really know for sure but that's what it looks like to me. Does any one actually know the answer to this?
LOL...yeah right?!?!? Does anyone really have the answers....hmmm, so you think maybe I should try taking a small dose of T4? Say around 25mg maybe? You think my thyroid is working too hard?? Geez...this thyroid shit, it's just such a touchy thing...I don't wanna cause myself problems is all. I can't decide if letting it go is best OR beginning supplementing. Decisions, lol.
Like I said, I don't really know, but the #s look like your body wants more T4. This also could be due to the timing of the HGH shot??? I just don't know. Sorry, no Endocrinologist just looking at the info presented. My thoughts on the matter of damage caused by supplementing T3 or T4 is more along the lines of Testosterone recovery. If you do a lot of test your body stops making it. If you do a lot of T3 or T4 your body stops making it which could cause recovery issue same as not running PCT. Everything I've seen on T3\T4 is of the ramp up and down approach. You don't start high then just drop it you ease in and out and respect it! As far as your current state I would think constantly overworking the thyroid would be worse than supplementing it.????? Just my thoughts, again no fact behind it!
Well...your points are well taken. That's why I wanted to post this up...the best knowledgeable decisions around here usually come out of group consensus. I highly value your opinion, buddy...you have helped me alot in the past AND in this matter. How do you think I should proceed with dosing (if I was to)... such as at 5IU's 6on/1off. Like you said..gotta respect the T4.
The standard that I've seen is 10mcg\IU. So 50mcg for 5iu. Then you have the consideration of HGH serum levels dependent on different products to consider. I would go with 20 serum level being average. Isn't this fun? LOL ;-P
HAHAHA...absolutely. MORE questions...lol. Here:
1.) What's the best time to dose the T4? Or does it even matter?
2.) Do I take it on my day off? I would assume yes?
I take my T4 and the rest of my supps first thing in the morning when I pin. I don't wanna forget. I don't take a day off but I would say yes as your IGF-1 is raised for 24-36 hrs or so.
Okay...thanks. I guess I will begin by taking a SMALL dose tomorrow morning...roll the dice, lol.
Bro, don't roll the dice with your health. Look into it a bit more, then make a more informed decision!
LOL....I was kinda joking about the roll the dice thing. I've researched this stuff over and over, had blood tests, discussed it with members here...the only thing left is to talkto a MD...and I already know the answer to that one. Any Endocrinologists out there?...I don't have the money for that one. I mean there had to be a decision made by you at some point based on your bloods and all, and I remember us discussing this in PM some time ago...you mentioned some of your thyroid #'s.
OK, just saying "roll the dice"!
Yes my bloods showed low T4 and High T3 uptake so I increased my T4.
Killed a few birds with your tests. Thx for spending a little extra $ and sharing. Thumbs up.
that's why I'm here...I will run all kinds of test on gear as long as I have the money, lol.
personally, I would be more concerned about the kidney function.
My BUN?...it's lower than it was last time. I got my bloods taken first thing in the AM, basically a 12 hour fast, was sippin on 20oz. of water mixed with BCAA's on my drive there. I guess dehydration can elevate BUN levels?
This is true dehydration will cause higher BUN levels did not look at the creatinine levels which were fine if there was a kidney issue both would be high. I have never tested high on that number due to an overnight fast though.
dehydration definitely will! bcaa's problem didnt help. bun/creatinine is a byproduct of protein synthesis...normally you can keep it within range thru proper hydration but im sure you are also eating a diet thats high in protein so thats part of the reason there too
I eat 350-400g protein/day right now...but I also drink somewhere between a gallon/gallon and a 1/2 of distilled H20/day. Come post-cycle time, I am cutting my protein intake WAY down...to alleviate some stress on the kidneys!!
you should be fine...its high but not of the charts
Anon+1 on this post. Great info. Especially about the t4
Sounds like aro is underdosed a lil.. Might try add half dose more daily
So, take 18.75mg's ED????
It looked like you were just 20pts high....so IMO yes. And +1 for all that info! Thyroid can be permanently shut down with just a lil slip.
18.75mg's...lol. That's interesting...can't wait to quarter these tabs, lol. Good thing I have other ones(different ones!!) on the way!!
Oh tabs....then ya 25. Just pay attention if estro gets too low. Sorry...im on liquid.
a pill cutter is cheap and you can find it at your local pharmacy...pretty accurate dosing