SERONO HGH TESTING - SERUM AND IGF 1
Lately there's been a lot of debate on GH serum level testing and blood testing in general related to hgh. Last night after researching I found out that if a person injects biologically inactive HGH the blood serum results will be elevated but since its "inactive" the hgh will have no effect, because of that reason I am suggesting that we get SERUM AND IGF 1 tested instead. Some one had posted these graphs and I will even give you guys the link to the actual thread at the end of this post. I really want to come up with some sort of a reference or guideline to what our blood work results should look like and this is the best I could come up with. Now I am gonna list my own conclusions and I am welcoming all interpretations from other users because I am not an expert and only trying to make sense of what I see using the best of my knowledge. The first graph shows "serum levels x time" for administration of a dose of 2.92mg of saizen hgh which is approximately 8iu. The second picture I would be more interested on the IGF 1 level in relation to the dose(I believe that dose is calculated by weight of the test subject). So after analyzing both graphs I came to the following conclusion.
1- Serum levels will peak after 3.5hours after SUB Q injection(Is pretty obvious by the graph)
2- IGF 1 levels on a male should peak anywhere from 22 - 26 hours after SUB Q injection.
Assuming that my readings are correct I am thinking here that around 22 hours before testing there should be 8 - 10 iu administered and then another 8 - 10iu 3.5 hours before testing. That way we should have peak serum and igf 1 levels at the time of collection. What do you guys think about this?
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Cant the Chinese generics simply put in IGF with peptides into the fake HGH to throw off the blood tests?
It seems that there are a lot of variables which may create noise. From a purely baseline perspective it might add value if there were two sets of data collected. The first would be pre-injection baseline for both. This would enable the data to be evaluated with any anomalies present. This is purely an engineering approach to minimizing variables, in my humble opinion.
You could run a DOE to see which variable have the greatest impact and which are neglible!
That would be nice if cost was not a factor. The HGH Serum test is $50 and the IGF-1 test is $70. Don't think a Serum HGH baseline would be necessary as there are very limited extraneous factors that affect HGH Serum. IGF on the other hand, could be affected easily from variables. I think you would still see a decent increase from quality HGH.
The data does indicate that the rhgh is much tighter and more consistent within the distribution' and it does appear the the IGF has a much broader variation, is this due to the individual and the physiological response or ability to absorb?
IMO, Both the HGH and IGF have a tighter response to the IM. The IGF can be affected by many more things such as diet, exercise, physical condition.....
Fasting has been questioned in other forums. The IGF test adds $70. I need more info on the bio inactivity likely hood before I would say it is necessary to test IGF also. I thought I saw something recently regarding the amounts of circulating GH and other factors that made it "active", but my memory.... you know? LOL ;-P
Yes, That is what I recommended also on the other recent post. And stick to the 10iu injection.
10iu IM Deltoid injection 3.5 hrs prior to Bloods, and from what I have been reading Fasting should not matter.
IMO the subQ injection method may give varied results due to subject bf%, subQ location of injection and absorption rate.
Ok so what do u mean by biologically INACTIVE GH? Like GH that expired or something? Cuz I have a bunch of american human grade GH but its expired I think.....im still gonna use it tho they have never left the fridge I don't see how it wouldn't work at all maybe a little less potent but its still human grade.
is there a need for injecting 10iu before plasma/igf testing or if im running 4iu/day of .com.cn i should get a more accurate reading of its strentgh in a stability standpoint anyway. correct me if im wrong , im just thinking the more stable your dose/timing of dose = more accurate test results rather than blasting 8-10 iu of hgh prior to testing when your normal dose is 4/day/split? so many labs getting out there now on products and people have no idea what to use for a testing protocol, wouldnt everyone using theyre regular dose make more sense?
Ya I've always wondered that too. At PM lots of guys tested rips and for example one guy tested at 66 GH serum level and he did like 10IU before, another guy tested 113 GH serum level and he did 20IU before which is crazy. So if ur doing 5IU it should test at 30-35 GH serum level for rips
i pmed you regarding rips and others, just a heads up
Myobolix-Pharmarips arent anything special; but hey, they got cool tops!!!
Well in terms of UGL GH- rips are def special. They have proven over time to be potent and consistent, blue tops aren't anything special lol. But if u compared them to human grade maybe its not special but at the same time tests say otherwise
You realize rips have Blue Tops right? A pretty design, but still Blue Tops. LOL ;-P
Lol nice one, yes u are right they are blue tops. I guess it all comes down to bloodwork right? This summer im gonna run rips and do bloods. I am gonna try to get ppl who r running hyges, myos, and red tops all to do bloods and let's see who comes out on top! GH is hard to differentiate because its all looks the same basically. But the thing about rips is that the caps are embossed which means they are coming from a diff place then generic tops. Generic are still GH tho so its all on how much ur willing to spend on GH u can buy rips and ansomone and have results quicker or get generic and well.....they're generic lol. I've heard online that blue tops are like 4-6 IU but the internet is a lot hear-say
color of tops now is useless, every bullshit gh is made in every color cap now. color means nothing anymore
I was thinking about running Bloods on the Hyges and Kigs I have after this. The "embossed caps" are just a different mold, not necessarily from a different place. The people making the HGH are buying their bottles and caps somewhere else not making them.
Still researching whether I need to spend the extra $70 bucks for IGF tests also. That would also mean I need to offset my workout or drop the IGF-1 L3 injections I'm doing.
We'll see, I'll post em up as soon as I get em!
where is the testing for $70 for igf, i only found 100 for igf and 49 for gh serum. ordered through third party and done at lab corp and other labs, not bad but where is $70 test?
Privatemdlabs.com
http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=search_results&show=668&...
privatemdlabs.com, uses labcorp, no additional fees (talked to them on phone), on the right side of the page before you pay there is a link to a 3 question survey and u get 10% off order of labs. with discount is like $107 for both igf-1 and hgh serum. search for "growth hormone" and both tests come up. cheapest by far
Lmao.........ouch!!!
i would like to talk to you in pm about something, im gonna send you a fr right now.