posted Tue, 08/07/2018 - 14:00
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+ 5 Related to my previous posts..
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Did the test last week.
Well it's bad.
My plan is to do hcg, hmg course.
When put everything together will post results and what has changed in the situation.
I'm 27, few cycles done previously, nothing major, and always proper PCT, so this is not gear related, I hope so.
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You know i see many people advocate a 4ish week PCT however, i prefer 8 weeks. Why? Because in my mind whats wrong with being thorough and extending while we are off cycle anyways? If i was you id do another restart after checking my test, estrodial, lh, and fsh. Why? Because again, i like being thorough. In fact id do:
4 weeks of hcg @ 750-1000ius split twice a week (why? Because we need to send a signal to stimulate your leydig cells to "wake up" your testes. Once we get your testes working then fertility will be possible as your sertoli cells are responsible for actual sperm production which is dependent upon testosterone and estrogen signals. High count and proper formation of sperm cells is a process. Hmg can speed this up for quicker maturation although im not 100% sure of the protocols yet that have been effective in secondary hypogonadism.
Remember estrogen? Its also going to be a bitch if your body is seeing too much floating around with aromatization of testosterone. This needs to be controlled in PCT and personally Exemstane @ 12.5mgs is my golden ticket. Its all about the negative feedback loops. Our body wants what? Homeostasis! Bloods bloods bloods. Find a doctor who will assist and understand more than a metabolic panel.
Then.....
100, 100, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50, 25 clomid
40, 40, 40, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20 tamoxifen
12.5 - all the way exemstane
Then more bloods... This isnt necessarily advice but it can assist in your therapy with research.
Thanks for posting this.
At the moment I'm giving some more time to recover. That may be one of the main factors here in my case.
And will consider hcg hmg if other stuff won't work.
I get your point of beeing sterile about Pct and getting bloods checked out. My plan as well.
For now.
Time.
Diet
Supplements
Workouts.
What’s your LH/FSH/Total Testosterone at last blood test you did? When did you finish your PCT?
Pct finished about 1,5 months ago.
It was Clomid and tamoxifen at usual 100/100/50/50
40/40/20/20
Befire that it was more or less simple 12 week test and tren cycle. For lil summer cut.
Sorry in last blood test I skipped vital stuff to test hormone related, becouse it was made to check overall health, got some stomach problems. And added few hormone related tests, will do bloods in couple of weeks. Changing diet now, stopped smoking and back to cardio.
This is what I think. I think your move to run HMG and HCG is premature. Your PCT finished only 1.5 months ago. So even if your ran your PCT for 6 weeks you been off cycle for 12 weeks. It would have probably taken about 6 weeks to get some intertesticular testosterone going which means you’ve only been producing sperm for about 6 weeks - best case scenario and probably worse given you has Tren in the mix.
It takes about 90 days for sperm to mature. So it’s not surprising your test is yielding a poor results. I would go and get a full hormone panel done now to check your levels especially LH/FSH/total testosterone. If you have good LH and total testosterone levels even with a tiny amount of FSH you will be producing sperm. Wait another 6 weeks and go do the sperm tests again. Don’t add compounds now before you even sure you need them. Exercise some patience here fella.
The alcohol and smoking and shitty diet will be contributing here so cleaning that up will only help.
I agree.
My plan was diet, alcohol limitation, no smoking, meditation annnnndddd from previous posts.. I will be using supplements like Profertil, amino acids, vitamins for few months. But putting together a plan for hcg, hmg if that will have no impact.
Excellent plan + 2 above!
Good luck bro, have heard some good things about hmg
Tnx.
Posted this here to follow up to myself how things turn out.
Hoping on hmg.