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I've read some troubling things about the legitimacy of PP's products, specifically their products that many of us rely on to prevent gyno. I've exclusively used and trust their products. I expect to see results that reflect a quality product, especailly following their May 28th announcement that they will be using HPLC and Mass Spec testing on ALL research powders. I expect, as their email states, my batch was tested and passed. I will request results and post when I receive.

I'm currently running Letrozole after running Exemestane, to combat some nipple puffiness I've had for quite a while. I'm doubtful this will yield the desired results but I want to give it a go.

I'm planning either weekly or biweekly blood draws for the next 8 weeks on Monday to monitor a condition I have called neutropenia. Anyway, I'm going to use this opportunity to test the estrogen suppression effects of PurchasePeptides' Exemestane and Letrozole. I have baseline blood work (05/23/14) I have blood work after two weeks of Exemestane @ 12.5mg/day alongside Ostarine @ 16.5mg/day (6/9/14). The Ostarine was ordered 2/19/14 and Exemestane was ordered 2/12/14.

Baseline and 2 weeks on Exe and Osta bloods are posted. I've had blood work done every few months since I began using steroids about 18 months ago. The LOWEST my estrogen has been since then was just before my 2nd cycle and was at 30pg/mL.

6/12/14
I just received my pack from PP consisting of Letrozole, Exemestane, Clomid, Tamox, and Ostarine. Yesterday I finished my February bottle of Exemestane. Today I took my first dose of Letrozole @ .625mg. My dosing before my next blood test scheduled for 6/23/14 will be as follows:

Letro mg/day
D1- .625
D2- 1.25
D3- 1.875
D4-D15- 2.5 (D12- BLOOD TEST)
D16-D17- 1.875
D18-D19- 1.25
D20-D21- .625

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I expect by day 12 my estrogen should be tanked on a properly dosed legitimate product assuming my natural testosterone levels don't jump drastically for some reason.

Ostarine will be dosed at 16.5mg/day for the remaining 5 weeks of my cut in hopes of retaining as much muscle as possible in a moderate caloric deficit.

6/13/14
I found an article on the effects of AIs in men (http://www.rbej.com/content/9/1/93#B28). My baseline estro/test ratio is .0048. This article states that letro drops that ratio 77% at 2.5mg/day. That means if my test levels stay at 800ng/dl, my estrogen should be 8.74pg/ml. This is interesting because most people say that letro is capable of crashing your estrogen. If this study is correct, I can't see that being the case unless it's administered at extreme doses. Also, people may begin to experience the negative sides of low estrogen at different blood concentrations as well.

Looking at things using ratios, it looks like PPs exemestane from Feb reduced my estro/test ratio 41% at 12.5mg/day. I have not found any studies yet that says what exemestane's suppression rate is, but I'm not complaining about a 41% reduction at a mild dose.

I've attached a shot of the excel spreadsheet illustrating what I stated above.

Also, I received an email back from PP. They are still compiling the data for the HPLC and Mass Spec testing but it should be available soon. I'll keep trying. On a positive note, they respond quickly to emails.

07/24/14 Update

Results are back. Estrogen reduction looks pretty good but I'll leave this up to the masses for input. This is 12 days of letro, 4 days ramp up and 8 at 2.5mg. Is this the suppression we should expect with properly dosed, legitimate letrozole?

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fatalPORKshank's picture

Results are back. Looks like the Letro resulted in a 77% reduction in Estrogen to Testosterone ratio. Not bad but I was expecting more for some reason. Check out the pictures attached above, they tell the story here.

fatalPORKshank's picture

To correct the above post, the Letro lowered my estrogen/test ratio by 68%, the study I referenced above stated the average was 77% so not far off at all.

Ranga's picture

When do you plan on bringing it up to a appropriate range. 11 is far to low.

fatalPORKshank's picture

11 falls in the normal range but obviously I'm not going to stay on letro for long. I've begun to taper down the dosage today and will continue for the next 7 days. I was hoping this would help with some nipple puffiness but I think I may just need to bring my body fat down some.

Ranga's picture

Where are you obtaining that 11 falls in the normal range? You may want to look into that.

fatalPORKshank's picture

Check the last picture I uploaded.

Ranga's picture

I can assure you 7.6 or 11 is not an optimal estrogen level for an adult male. Never mind one who is taking steroids and other products that raise. Rather then debating with me spend some time and do some research.

ram500's picture

Good stuff ...i knew this product was working....thank you for all the feed back...much appreciated

fatalPORKshank's picture

I've only dealt with purchasepeptides for research chems. As far as I'm concerned, they're the best research supplier around. Their products have successfully carried me through two cycles and one PCT. I've already purchased my AIs and PCT for my upcoming cycle from PP. I posted this in an attempt to show their products are legitimate at this point. If they're not, I'm going to share that info too. AIs and PCT chem reliability is not something to leave up to chance and I'm going to do what I can to keep others properly informed. Let's get this thread back on track please. I'll have blood work posted by the middle of next week.

ram500's picture

Is the letro working for you ?

fatalPORKshank's picture

Haven't really notice any of the usual side effects associated with low estrogen. But my left nipple usually itches when my estrogen is left unchecked off cycle and I don't have that now. I'm cutting pretty hard now and seem to have lost some off the fatty tissue behind both nipples. Haven't had any lumps outside of puberty. It's doing something, I'll know how much it's doing when blood work comes back.

ram500's picture

Been running 2.5 since Sunday and I am getting joint pain in knees

fatalPORKshank's picture

I've been running 2.5 since then too. My fat intake is very high which could be buffering the joint pain to an extent. How severe is the pain?

ram500's picture

Just achy and a slight almost cracking when going up stairs' nothing to cry about but it is noticeably

fatalPORKshank's picture

Results came in. Is anyone familiar with how to read HPLC and Mass Spec results? The purity looks good but that's about all I can determine on my own. And I believe these tests are done on raw powders so it's still possible, even if the powders test out great, that the liquids are under-dosed...

Ranga's picture

So let me understand this correctly. Do you expect them to test each individual vial prior to them shipping it out? Someone who can't even read a Mass Spec wants to say they're under dosing their products? Let me explain something to you, he doesn't do this for the clients he does this for himself because he runs his business with integrity. Get back to me on your under dosed letro once you have the BW done.

fatalPORKshank's picture

Whoa breh, not saying they're under dosed on purpose(or even under dosed at all), I'm just starting the fact that testing the powders had nothing to do with the concentration of the finished product. And considering the pages of posts stating PPs products are bunk, I think it's a valid statement. Why you sucking PPs dick so hard anyway?

Ranga's picture

What's up hooker science? Obviously not much.

Ranga's picture

Good luck dude go buy from someone else

guest1337's picture

I think most people have, that's why they're doing this now

Ranga's picture

That's one of the problems around here everyone always thinks and never backs it with fact. I'll assure you pp continues to lead this industry with out being # 1 on eroids.

dudebro's picture

do you work for pp or what man seriously?

Ranga's picture

Why does you dumb ass keep persisting about a new owner? There's been one owner since it's inception. Stop spreading bullshit.

dudebro's picture

yeah i mean come on now nobody can love research chemicals as much as this guy lol. defending pp is his only interest on the entire board.

Ranga's picture

And the return for doing it works out fine for me.

Ranga's picture

If you run letro at 2.5 mg for a week there's a good chance your e will be <10. And as far as the mass spec & HPLC I hear most are in.

fatalPORKshank's picture

That's what I'm hoping. The response for PP was that they were still collecting the mass spec data. I'll shoot them another email in a few days.

carpejohn's picture

Yah as long as it isn't that india or mexican shit!

fatalPORKshank's picture

Convenience I guess. With something as important as a functional AI, convenience should probably not be my first concern. You have a good point...

fatalPORKshank's picture

Anyone familiar with letro? Should my estrogen be bottomed out at 2.5mg/day for about 10 days?

carpejohn's picture

Yes, I use his research products and letro was used at half ml. Took about 2 days for soreness of nipple to go away. I then tappered with exemastane for two weeks.

fatalPORKshank's picture

You believe the letro you used was legit then? How long did you use it? Did you experience any of the tell tale sides from it?

carpejohn's picture

Used it for about week. Sore joints

But yeah there is a good place to get pharmacy grade. USA brands and UK brands that are legit.

shredz562's picture

IM sending ya an FR as well, im interested in some info

whiteboy's picture

hey sending you a FR hoping you could point me in the right direction for pharma ai

carpejohn's picture

Interesting +1

BigThing's picture

This is why I don't like ordering ancillaries from research chem sites. Too many scammers.

Bigs251's picture

I recently had some Letro from them as well that was completly bunk. I ran it at 7.5 mg per day trying to get rid of my Gyno and nothing at all happened

fatalPORKshank's picture

That's what I'm worried about. I start a tren ace/test prop cycle at the beginning of July and the letro was going to be my emergency AI if the exemestane wasn't up to the job. I have caber for the prolactin but need a STRONG AI as a "just in case". Did you have any blood work done?

Bigs251's picture

No but you feel like shit when your estrogen is crashed. Joints hurting, no sex drive, no morning wood etc...