posted Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:54
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+ 8 Mutagenics Serostim 126 Pharma HGH
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Got my labs back yesterday. IGF-1 flagged as high at 300. Been doing 2-3 IU's a day 7 days a week for 2 months now. Currently in the middle of PCT and GH is really helping the ride! Looking forward to the benefits of GH in the coming months.
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+1 thanks for your time and effort brotha
Thanks bro
Thanks bro. Actually couldn't believe how easy it was. Gonna baseline my test and IGF before next cycle.
Honestly a little surprised tho I have been running 3iu hyge for a few months now and when I had my igf pulled it was 320 I was expecting yours on seros to be higher.
He's almost as twice as old as you are O.O
Anonvery good point as well
Anonwhat he scores on his test means nothing on yours. his base line could have been 20 for all we know. In order to gauge the quality of seros you would have to run it yourself, the you can see what you r igf is based on 3ius of seros vs 3ius of hyges
What's your age?
28 , I didn't take that into consideration
Ahh good catch, I meant 40 mg of nolva! Thanks bro
I +1d ya. Thanks for taking the time to get bloods RP.
Thanks Hail, you really helped me more than you know! EmPee had me look at your labs to double check I was doing the right test! Thanks bro
Good deal. Em is a good chap to talk to about GH info. You've got a great IGF-1 elevation at 53 with the SEROs. If an HRT level is what your looking for, then it looks like you found your dose. Honestly, 2 or 2.5 IUs ED might get you there unless you are looking for something higher than HRT.
Thanks Hail, anything to save$$ helps in the pharma world as you know. Have you compared your IGF levels between Serostim and Nords? I'm thinking of switching over to Nords temporarily and seeing where my level is with the same protocol, should be interesting!
I think I've done GH Serum with the Seros. But, Somatropin is Somatropin. That's the main reason I use Nordi, Seros and Omni. The only difference should be the MG dose with the exception of Omni being a generic. So the assumption is as long as your dosing the same mg (IU) then you should get approx the same effects (elevation in IGF-1). Name brand, liquid or powder form is personal preference.
Makes sense. Thanks bro
Any comments on the T3 T4 levels would help me a bunch from some of the veterans!
WithdrawlThey're within the normal range which is great. You're HGH isn't suppressing your T4 so no need to supplement with any thyroid medication. Everything looks good to me.
Thanks bro
Anonx2. stay away from thyroid meds
Thanks for all the comments and + 1's guys. Really appreciate it. I'm really going to shake up the bunch when I post the GH serum test tonight!! Thanks again
Anon+2 Igf looking good. GH makes your PCT a breeze. I am considering testing these as well because i can get them from a locally for a great price. Do you know what you base line igf was?
No KK that was an over site on my part, should of done a baseline, but due to my age I think 300 IGF level is pretty good. Ive also read that using Nolvadex can lower your IGF level, not sure how or why but I have read it on 2 separate forums now and I am currently taking 100mg Ed of Nolvadex. Kicking myself in the ass now for not base lining! Lol. Thanks for asking
Anonno problem.yes i have read nolva can lower your levels, but regardless for your age your levels are looking good.
I think it is kind of important to know were you averaging 2iu per day or 3iu?
First month 2 ius second month slowly bumped up to 3, if that helps?
It does, so how long before the test were you at 3iu?
Hey Ice, I would say 2 weeks at full blown 3 IUs. Thanks for asking, keeps me thinking!
+1 for Serostim IGF.
For anyone willing to answer:
Strictly speaking in terms of IGF release, am I mistaken or do brown top hyges and rips seem on par or appear to perform comparably to serostim??
IMHO I would think a lot is predicated by the person and their age and can we mention diet since everything seems to work better with the correct diet. I am currently playing with my carb intake to see how it interacts with the GH. GH seems to like a little more carbs than AAS.
AnonThere is no way to know based on his test cuz his base line igf could have been really low like below 100.The only way to see if a good generic like rips,vips or hyges are as good or close to it is for him to run them at the same dose and see what it scores.Making sure to try and test the exact same way for an accurate result.( fasting, test at the same time, testing the same dose for the same length of use ect.) Just because you see brown tops test at over 300 on someone else does not mean it will be the same for him.
BillLumberghyou gettin an igf test on your nords soon?
AnonYes i am going to run them as soon as I test these hyges in a few weeks
I am also 53 years old so I'm sure my natty is lower than most, I should of done a baseline before I started, my mistake for wanting to jump right in! Lol
Anonthose are great levels for 53. people half your age don't have your levels. age plays a big part in igf
Thanks Kk. I also think diet is key, I am starting to find out the GH seems to like a little more ( clean) carbs than AAS. Kind of just starting to play around with this of the winter
I agree, I think that some of the Chinese Name Brand do show some promising elevated IGF-1 levels. But, there's the proven problem with constistency. Then there's the question of bioavailability which is too technical for me to truly understand but still a topic. Bloat seems to be a big topic with Rips which I've read about methylprednisolone, cortisone being used as an additive. There's a certain amount of toxins produced in the production of GH which may be another reason for bloat maybe. The higher the purity of the GH the lesser the toxins. I assume GH produced for legal prescription sales has some sort of set standards VS GH produced for black market sales. Of course this is only my .02 opinion. If your happy with the Chinese products then happy pinning.
Well I am strictly looking at it from a objective viewpoint. I am not trying to disparage any source or anyone's purchase. This is just for the sake of clarity.
Here are some of my thoughts/findings:
All GH causes bloat. It is and always will be a side of GH. Hell even EMD Serono's claim that their Serostim product increases LBM is questionable as findings have shown its really just water from fluid retention along with grwoth other tissue (organ, connective) and not muscle tissue.
You are certainty more inclined to ramp up super slow with GH that costs $9.5/iu vs $2.5 (high end). Thereby avoiding most of the sides many encounter when they just jump right into 4iu of rips day 1.
The ethylprednisolone/cortisone/Anti diuretic/AI filler claims have yet to be proven through any test... not one single shred of evidence has been presented showing fillers. There is one guy on steroid.com named Marcus3000 who is pretty much the clearinghouse for these rumors. He has been on the warpath regarding chinese GH for years. ALL his claims are anecdotal.
I thought testing for IGF elevation was a way for us to gauge the "bioavailability".of the GH. I've seen members even wait 2 full days before blood is drawn to rule out any peptides that may mimic this.
I've seen claims of IGF1 being into the rHGH powder. Along with other nutty Chinese voodoo rumors. In the end why reinvent the wheel? Why risk including harmful fillers that will be eventually identified? Why not just produce rHGH in a cheap manner just as the Chinese have done in practically every other industry where they undercut competitors at INSANE rates...
If toxins / low purity is a concern, then the mass specs I've seen on Rips should put that to rest... as again purity, dosing was clearly on point.
On standards... You are absolutely correct, big pharma labs will have tighter ones. I agree...
On baseline... I've seen other members in their 50s post similar results when running rips or hyges... which is really why I posted on here. I agree there is no baseline presented for these IGF levels.but it certainty fits a pattern that matches with how Rips & Hyges have performed in this age group.
That's my 02 cents. Thanks for reading (if you got this far, lol)
Yip,
And you are right, (Legit) Rips and Hyges have elevated IGF-1 close or equal to Seros and some other FDA approved, Pharma, "expensive" brands or whatever the word of the week is. I've experienced CT, joint pain at low doses of Omni and Seros. I agree that starting at a small dose and ramping up slowly can help to deter these sides.
I read the whole post.
But in the Chinese world of green, yellow, black tops and anti-counterfeit websites, the risk of running a subpar or counterfeit kit for months on end for me is defeating my purpose for properly elevating my IGF-1 consistanly. I believe Paths Hyges/Rips testing shows the inconstant IGF-1 levels at the same dose. Where the Mass Spectrum test might show purity the IGF-1 test might show inconstant IU/MG even though they are sold as 100IU kits. But, IGF-1 levels can fluctuate do to many other factors also. As many of these kits that have "tested" well, there's twice as many that have not, no? With the money saved per kit, I don't want to spend the savings on blood work on each kit to determine if its GTG. I've seen the ole bait n switch go on since before the Jins started getting counterfeited in 2005,2006,2007? As for kits containing additives (peptides), that's been proven. If you look, I believe there's a MS test that shows Albumin in one sample sent. In legit Hyges/Rips no. In the counterfeits, who really knows. Not enough MS test done on HGH vs the amount that have been sold. Too many different sources selling different caps colors that are made in multiple "factories" in China I assume. I know that my SEROs are 6mg per vial and are made in Switzerland for EMD Serono,INC. in Rockland, MA
Anyway, with al that said...yadda yadda yadda....yes....there are some kits made in china that have showed some promise. Theres nothing wrong In using these kits and saving some money. It's just not the route I chose to take.
Anonreally good info, and yes i read all of it
I agree Hail. I can say although I have not broken the 3iu barrier ( well maybe once or twice:)I have not experienced any sides at all on pharma and have totally enjoyed the ride!
AnonWell said brother. I believe you hit the nail on the head with that. Hopefully these good generics stay consistent so those that cant afford pharma still have the option to run hgh.
Ya pretty much from what I've been seeing which is cool.
BillLumberghthanks for posting bro.
tLAMARwwish i could afford this!