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  • Edit Low IGF1 with Genotropin

  • EagerToLearn   •   Mon, Oct 21st, '19 10:36   •   20 replies, 263 views

NOTE: Simple Mass Spectrometry is not enough to determine dosage and purity of tested substance.
Tests done with GC/MS, LC/MS/MS or HPLC methodes are considered much more reliable!

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EDIT: So I dug up the carton box the geno came in and there was a QR code on there. I checked it at Pfizers website and it checked out legit. Also I am not fanboying or anything, but RB is the best source I have dealt with, ever. Anyone who had done business with this guy knows how serious he takes his business and to how great lengths he goes to make his customers happy, honestly like no other source I used in the past. And I am really sorry that this blood test might hurt his reputation. Keep in mind that 1) IGF-1 testing is always pretty inaccurate (even when testing the same blood sample twice with the same machine) and 2) I was on a ketogenic diet with about 60g carbs per day which definitely messes with IGF1 and 3) I can tell by feels that the genos are doing their job (and I have tried hygetropin, genotropin and norditropin and humas in the past). So what I do now is to just do a retest in about 1-2 months and will post it up. Have a great day.

So this lab test shows both TRT (DP 100mg TestC per week + 2x 250iu HcG per week + 2x 0.25mg anastrozole) and 1.5iu genotropin per day.

TRT is dialled in very well. Despite my total T being high as you can see, the free T is perfectly mid range (ever since I had quite high SHBG for some reason). I do feel quite good at this level and feel it is also sustainable.

As to the genotropin and the IGF-1 test: my baseline was 146 and the 1.5iu were not able to raise it much unfortunately.
In the past I achieved a VERY high IGF1 with hygetropin but with the genotropin I can clearly tell this is the real deal. Great sleep, hair and nail growth, keeping lean without much effort, great sense of wellbeing and vitality. Actually I was really hoping/expecting to see a number in the 300-400 but unfortunately this is not what happened. I have absolutely no doubt the genos are legit. There are 2 things that could have messed up my IGF-1 result:

1) I am on a strict ketogenic diet (less than 50g carbs per day) and insulin is very well known to significantly raise IGF1 or a lack thereof reduce it
2) IGF-1 testing per se is quite unreliable and different labs using the same blood sample often get quite different results (and even the same lab running the SAME blood sample with the same machine often get quite a variation in their testing).

I am actually a person that very much relies on lab reports as opposed to "going by feels" and why the result is so unexpectedly low is honestly beyond me.

I guess I will repeat the test in 1-2 months. I can only hope RB really sent me real stuff or stuff that is not degraded, but IMHO he is the best source I have ever dealt with and the genos really do seem legit and also their effects are quite noticeable with no sides whatsoever (1kg water retention within the first 2 weeks which has gone though).

If anyone has thoughts as to why IGF1 could be that low, please chime in.

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  • Roidbazaar's picture
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Hi bros,
thanks for all your high quality knowledge based input here and in our SI and holding the discussion of this issue on such a high level … and most important with the intention to analyse the situation and come to a common solution … constructive and not destructive.
This is what it’s all about … as we all sit in one boat, sources and members … and our community together is able to hold this high standard.
From my side, I can confirm that the Geno is 100% genuine original, I can go into details now, but don’t want to write an essay here … but i think RB customers and our friends know, that all our Pharma Grade products are genuine and trust is established. Especially re our Pharma HGH we ship the products always in the sealed plastic covers and including the original boxes with QR code for the authenticity check. Our suppliers are 2 of the biggest Pharmacy suppliers in their country. Nor they, nor me we have any intention to sell products that are not genuine. We sell hundreds of Genos each month, if this would not be the case, we would have faced already a shitstorm in our source discussion.
We all know, and as also discussed here based on high quality knowledge input, there are many factors that play in re the effectivity. And thanks to all your input and the kind cooperation of EagertoLearn, we will come to a final explanation, what then will be another information added to the knowledge pool of our community. Thanks again, brothers.
We as well send a new Geno free of charge to Eagertolearn, as for me most important is that my customers and friends and happy, whatever the final explanation will be, i want him to have another Geno at side to proceed.
You know my philosophy targeting only on a longterm mutual cooperation … and that can only be reached on mutual trust, taking care of each other and always go for a solution to be provided. My team and me, we did, do and will always continue to follow this philosophy. And I am happy to see the same approach also from our customers and friends … again, we all sit in one boat, we have to support each other to hold this high standard of quality and service, what everyone in this community deserves.
Wish you all a great weekend,
Cheers my friends ;)

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I never once said that I doubt the legitimacy of your products. As stated multiple times, you are one of the most trustworthy sources out there and I am sure it was not your fault. Perhaps it was me, perhaps it was the test or perhaps it was a degraded products (e.g. shipping, my reconsitution, my fridge). We will never know.
As said and promised, I will follow up with a new IGF-1 report soon so we will know whether it was me or any other of the factors mentioned.
Thank you very much sir for handling this situation the way you do. Sincerely.

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Hi bro,
thanks is all on my side as well for your kind cooperation, input and constructive approach on this issue. Of course i read and know that you don't doubt the genuity of our products and especially we both already built up a good cooperation and trust ... but i saw some minor comments in the discussion mentioning that it might be possible that you received non genuine products. That's why i also had to make a short statement on this. But I think everyone understands this and is trying to give high quality knowlede-based input with the intention to come to a common solution and explanation ... and that's what I really appreciate from you and everyone participating in the discussion ... great ... thanks again.

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There's a small possibly that it got alil degraded on the trip over but usually not much 1.5 iu really isn't that much, I know there real like u said I have two Geno's from RB myself in my fridge, I see alot of these crazy high igf1 numbers with generic growth hormone or some brand name generic growth kits, I truely wonder if all these generics are really growth hormone I just find it hard to believe with some.of the prices for these 100iu generic kits of growth I really think they found a way to get igf numbers raised really high weither it be with 192aa or some type of peptide, it's just very suspicious to me and this is only my opinion. Cause I seen legit humas someone doing 4ius and only get a score of around 300 then I seen them use godt at the same.dosage or five iu and score in the high 500-600 believe the number was 569 which is pretty high for a generic igf score, now I could be completely wrong I still choose pharma gh over generic anydsay

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Exactly.

  • jp82088's picture
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My buddy was running 3.21i.u (8 clicks) on Norditropin Nordilet 30i.u pens and pulled a 468 igf1 score. His pre Igf1 was 142, so it is entirely believable. I believe it all comes down to how you metabolize the drug, and if the medication has been store and shipped without any degradation.

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Exactly what I think and are saying or trying to say, I don't believe in generics so much but if generics are legit maybe there getting some higher numbers cause the batch is made and pretty much shipped right out and put out there for the consumer and it isn't sitting around in a fridge or on a self for a peroid of time, but I totally agree with jp

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Yeah I wonder myself whether the last geno -the one this test was based on- got degraded during shipping. It was really hot that time in my country. Actually it was closer to 1.8iu I was taking. That should at least raise my baseline by a 100 I guess, but it just raised it by 30... Honestly I am a little disappointed because you can´t argue with lab tests. I guess I will order some more from RB and then retest

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I'm gunna open a thread to talk about hgh testing and also blood testing on test, maybe I'll keep them separate but I think gh testing there is so many veriables now that we know like of ur on dht meds it can throw off the test I think we have enough bloods to see that, and IV seen alot of pharma gh test that are deff 100 percent legit not degraded gh that score way lower then some of these generic gh. Now idk if the generics are being made a different way with stronger binding proteins to keep them from degrading or what or if they found a way to show high igf testing cause they know that's what we are looking for, I'm not surre , I know rbs kits are legit cause iv used his humas and Geno's and I get crazy recovery sleep nail and hair growth along with fullness, the most thing I notice on legit pharma gh is the recovery factor and sleep, and I once kinda did alil test and ran it high for a CPL days like a week and I blew up in my ankles and feet with water retention it was deff different so I know his stuff is legit, I would expect to see higher numbers though like u said , it's very strange the way iv seen some people process test great other not so we'll same with gh, I think alot of it has to do with how we metbolizes certain compounds just like any medicine, not to bring up drugs but that's why some people need stronger or higher dosed of opoids even when first starting some people can take a peek five and be smoked others not so much and need a ten alot of that has to do with whole well we metabolize them...

I only.say this cause iv been looking at alot of bloods from different people and I'll see someone running 200mgs.of test from a good lab, and it'll come.back low now maybe it's pinning schudles, now idk if it has anything to do with a person that has a higher baseline of test and they take the 200mg and get a higher test reading u would think it'd be all the same.caise there natural production is shit down or close to being shit down, the only thing I can think of is some people just absorb and take it in better, same.with gh but I do find it very strange that we see higher igf scores with generics alot then we do with legit pharma, now I feel and look much better on pharma gh then I do generics, I get way more sides from.gemerics expecially water retention and cts it's deff a topic we should discuss more, I'm glad u tested, if u are gunna ask for him quicker shipping that's what I do on my gh orders alot atleast if I need some in the summer not so much in the winter months ans they go right into the fridge, also alot of people do once u mix that gh even in the fridge it doesn't last as long as.we would like.it too now humas and Geno's do have special water to keep them stable longer but only for so long, keep me.posted if u do something I love learning and studying these things , and I still think weither generics give is high igf numbers pharma gh is the way to go that's my imo maybe I haven't used enough generic gh yet idk I just feel way better on pharm gh

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  • Roider007
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How long have you been on genotropin ? 1iu raises about 100 points or so.

  • EagerToLearn's picture
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Actually 3 months. For me it raised it basically nothing

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  • boldenone99
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I did order Humatrope from this source 72iu one and felt absolutely nothing.no carpal tunel as i had all the time using another growth hormones no nails improve no body fat loosing nothing axcept masive sperm cumshots so i asumed it was hcg or some shit.Prices are very low that is impossible to be real.That is my opinion so if somebody says something different I´m ok with it.

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I a really have a friend that's in turkey and u can walk in and purchase them for about $269 the price has gone up alil with all of turkeys med recently by 18 percent of u don't believe me look it up, u don't get carpel tunnel on pharma grade I'll get it on shit generics I run high doses of legit pharma grade and never had cp only thing I had was water retention in my feet and ankles

  • Nick1984's picture
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Ive hesrd the same information. Prices have went up recently

  • jp82088's picture
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Absolutely NOT. Impossible especially where they are coming from. Medications are fairly cheap and he is already making a decent mark up (Which is honestly okay knowing they are real).

Do you have any labs to claim your statement?

By the way I am not taking sides, and I do agree that transport time can make a significant impact on the gh as it can denature under extreme heat.

  • EagerToLearn's picture
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So I guess RB should chime in what he has to say...

  • boldenone99's picture
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I dont give a shit,With HGH is always hit or miss.I went to my local pharmacy to ask how much are they charging for 72s Humas and they told me 500 euros.I wouldnt buy again cheap HGH through internet.Long way shipping is problem also with growth.

  • EagerToLearn's picture
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Actually you are wrong sir, in Europe pharma companies do negotiate prices for pharmaceuticals with our health care systems (which usually do pay 100% of the price if a doctor prescribes it to you). Go to Italy or Germany or Spain or Greece or UK and all the exact same pharma meds will have different prices...and sometimes quite drastically different. Also, the place they are coming from, there is way less TAXES on these sorts of medications and you do indeed get the EXACT same medication manufactured in the EXACT same lab for a completely different price.

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  • bigchips27
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I don't know the mechanism as of how, but I do know that carbohydrate play an important role in the igf conversion/production. Also I've heard from a very reliable source that an a.i can significantly reduce/interact with igf1 conversion. I would suggest up the carbs and drop the a.i and retest.

  • jp82088's picture
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100% true. Dr.Scott Stevenson mentions this on his podcast.

Carbs raise IGF1 levels and restricting carbs lower Igf1 level but raise Gh levels.