posted Tue, 06/18/2019 - 10:51
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Labs done after being on new domestic Somastim for 12 days at 5iu per day. Baseline was 155.
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The thing I notice the most out of the Somas. I am VERY prone to male pattern baldness. All over my family and started for me in the 20’s. If I even looked at a DHT derivative steroid I’d start shedding. On the Somas I can take anything I want and my hair gets thicker and thicker.
Didn’t you do another lab test in 2016 with LabCorp that showed 391 at 5IU daily?
If it wasn’t LabCorp on that 2016 one what was the reference range?
That lab from from 2016 with the 391 was from one of those online labs that you can request a script if for bloods if you pay for it. They don’t exist (or you can’t get them in my state anymore) It was called ACU Labs or something like that.
The ref range was 82-237. But it doesn’t list the testing method. Not sure I’d give full faith in an online testing service but I just wanted to see what happened. Baseline was 155 went up to 391 in 12 days.
Lab in 2016 you stated that you were running 5IU per day for 6 weeks before testing IGF is this correct?
This 2019 lab you ran 5IU for 12 days and tested correct?
Very small difference in range between labs and there’s a 91 point IGF difference in results. Maybe the difference is because of accumulation over time since you spent longer on 5IU before testing in 2016, again would like some of the more experienced/knowledgeable guys from below to give their opinions.
Was it the same manufacturer? 91 IGF is a big difference. Maybe he was just running an igf before?
Same manufacturer. At the time I was running the original Somastim. These recent labs are the new Domestic Somastim. For these recent labs I was only on these new Somas for 12 days before the blood draw.
In addition I’m running other compounds that can posssibly affect the score (Winstrol, Anavar and Mast P).
Considering the score doubled from baseline in only 12 days I see this as a good sign. I will do a retest next week to see how much higher the score went.
Yes 2019 I was only on them for 12 days when I got the test I’m not 1000% sure on the 2016. All the info is on the pic when you click on it.
There’s nothing wrong with getting script for bloods online as long as you go to an actual lab and draw the blood there. I myself test in this manner through LabCorp or Quest.
For my last test I used “UltaLabTests“ and they work with Quest so I drew the blood with Quest. Just like “PrivateMD” uses LabCorp.
It looks like they use the same method as LapCorp because the range is about the same and the testing just says IGF-1, it doesn’t include LC/MS like Quest.
I would like to have @MegaT883 opinion on this because there’s almost a 100 point difference in IGF with the same dose and what seems to be the same testing method based on range and the way LabCorp and ACU list the test.
In the state I live is you can no longer use this online lab to buy a script for bloods without a physical script from a doctor. At the time I just purchased the script online. I didn’t open the actual description when you asked I’m working right now. But that lab was the one I purchased the script online. Im pretty much done over analyzing this to be honest. I like them and will continue to use them.
Just PULLED BLOOD this morning for IGF-1 on the NEW DOMESTIC SOMASTIMS running at 5IU every day. I have no baseline bloods. Will post results by end of week. Fingers crossed.
I used Quest so let’s see where I land. Unfortunately I have no baseline bloods.
300 seems low to me despite the fact that it was Labcorp not Quest. With that dosage 400-450 would be a minimum no matter which lab did the measuring, but that is just my opinion...
Read megat883 post below. The process is much much for involved than I ever knew. Reference ranges are really different between the 2 labs etc, therefore you can’t even compare the two.
Next time someone wants to send you a PM to get some good info about a product you've discussed you should accept their friend request. Dickhead.
First of all, fuck off with the name calling. Second. I’ve been getting 5 friend requests a day from new members with no pics, no comments, and they’re from a scammer source trying to get in touch with me because I blocked their email. Not that I owe a fucking explanation.
Now, shove it in your ass.
Nice to see.
Thank you. Will post followup bloods.
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Thank you buddy!
Who_CaresYou deserve plus 100. You had a rough month brother lol
Yeah this past couple months has been not so easy to say the least!!
-108 lower than your last test on the same dose, but that one was through Quest. It looks like Labcorp uses a different reference range (75−216) vs Quest (52-328). What lab tested your baseline?
Vengar is thinking correctly. There is a difference of 112 in the max reference ranges. He scored -108 lower. You should not compare labs between different testing companies and equipment. It's not an accurate comparison. If he had tested with Quest he would of gotten a higher result. Results correlate to the reference range. He scored 80 points above max reference range with Quest. He scored 84 points above max with Labcorp. Basically the same. Nothing wrong with this HGH. Similar result above ref. range. Only difference one was at slightly higher dose (1iu).
There’s nothing wrong with getting script for bloods online as long as you go to an actual lab and draw the blood there. I myself test in this manner through LabCorp or Quest.
For my last test I used “UltaLabTests“ and they work with Quest so I drew the blood with Quest. Just like “PrivateMD” uses LabCorp.
It looks like they use the same method as LapCorp because the range is about the same and the testing just says IGF-1, it doesn’t include LC/MS like Quest.
I would like to have @MegaT883 LOOK AT YOUR 2016 SOMASTIM BLOODWORK and have his opinion on this because there’s almost a 100 point difference in IGF with the same dose and what seems to be the same testing method based on range and the way LabCorp and ACU list the test.
Very small difference in range between labs and there’s a 91 point IGF difference in results. Maybe the difference is because of accumulation over time since you spent 6 weeks on 5IU before testing in 2016 and only 12 days on 5IU before testing now in 2019, again would like some of the more experienced/knowledgeable guys to give their opinions.
Your input is always so valuable with all of this GH testing. Big thanks from me.
Very interesting. I never knew any of this. I guess it would benefit me just to use Labcorp for this just so we’re comparing apples to apples with each test. Doesn’t matter to me my insurance covers both. Thanks for the info. I’m satisfied with these results.
A lot has been written about this. The medical profession is having a problem with it in diagnosis of disease involving IGF-1 due to differences in reference ranges.
I'm asking you to do me and the board a favor and test with Quest so we can prove or disprove my theory. No one has done this so far. If it comes back higher then it proves without a shadow of doubt that IGF-1 is measured in correlation to the reference range. A statistical formula. What do you think since Sciroxx has offered to reimburse you for the testing.
I’d be more than happy - I first have to convince my doctor to give me another script (there’s a story behind this). I can try and tell him there was a problem with the test and see if he can give it to me right away.
Just make sure it's Quest and LC/MS testing method. Convince him.
I have an idea how I could do it. Keep you posted.
This small difference correlated with exactly what Karl told me that these new vials are doses at 21-22IU I believe. The ones he ran the test on back then were dosed at the regular 20IU.
That I expect correlates for the very minor difference from 80 to 84 with this 21 or 22IU batch.
This looks very promising.
That’s correct the previous test was the 20iu vials. Karl told me as well that these new ones are approx 22iu/vial.
Baseline was Labcorp back in January. I started these on 6/5 and got the blood drawn on 6/14 so its still relatively early. Will get more bloods in 4-5 weeks.
More than enough time to reach Cmax ( concentration maximum serum) at your dose. Maximum serum concentration on IGF-1 is reached after 7 days.
What steroids are you using brother?
Trt dose test
50mg Var/day
50mg Winstrol Depot EOD
100mg Mast P EOD
Dehydrotestosterone derivates (all of these steroids are) tends to lower IGF1 in most individuals.
It'll be very interesting to test again as enough time elapse from starting the usage
The score is where I would expect it to be
Thanks again for the contribution
You’re welcome. I’ll let you know when getting tested again - it will be 4-6 weeks.
Thanks for testing!
Anytime brother!
Lets repeat the tests 10 days from now, I'll credit you for the costs of the tests brother ;)
Thank u for the contribution
I’ll try and convince my doc to give me another script for 10 days. And you’re welcome I always have no problem doing testing.
Thank you for testing !!! +1
Anytime brother!