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Heres the deal. I received a "double dosed" kit from GT and was asked to test it. I ran it as though it was a regular 12iu vial and hit 6iu ED for 10 days, so in theory I was running 12iu ED 10 days. This is one of 3 labs that will come back ad I will post them all, 2 blood draw and one potency test from a lab in Switzerland, yes that Switzerland. The reason for three is to clear up some confusion. Theres a lot of talk about high serum results being an indicator of quality GH, this process is to show that they are not. I drew blood twice, once with fasting (even though it says NO fasting on the lab), the second lab I fasted and then drank glucose water 30 min before blood draw. As you can see, the igf-1 and igfbp-3 (Binding Protien) are both very high while the serum level is low. I pinned 3 hrs and 15 min before blood draw, my last baseline was 282 (posted in my pics)

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guitarplayer1's picture

Appreciate the labs Gen +2 for that. Any welt issues with this kit? Also am I reading right that you sent into SIMEC also?

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BladeRunner70's picture

Thanks for the labs bro! +1

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Glad to do it boss.

Zadok's picture

Thanks man for doing that.

godtropin's picture

i think the body has limited absorption. it couldn't absorb as much as u pin. and it couldnt give u the effect proportionally by the dose.
actually u run 12iu per day, but i think if u pin 6iu per day, u might get almost same effect, the body couldnt absorb all 12iu. its my opinion

BladeRunner70's picture

I have read not to exceed 4ius at a time before because the liver can only handle so much at a time for conversion. I have had a difficult time finding research on this. However, this may be a case demonstrating that. I have always had success deviding my doses in 2-4 ius spread out at least 3 hours between injections.

Generator's picture

I will say that when I dropped my dose down to 6 iu I still had sides but when I split it in to 3/3 they all went away.

BladeRunner70's picture

Lucky... I take 3ius when I wake and 3ius before the gym about 10 hours later and my hands are still fucked and the lethargy is a killer.

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Before I ran this test I washed out for 10 days. When I pulled my labs for a baseline my igf level was still at 282. It appears that GH lingers in your system for longer than I thought. I would try going EOD for a while and see if your sides go away, pull a lab before you go EOD and then again after 2 weeks and see how your levels are, you may be surprised.

HailRazor's picture

Wasting patients are prescribed 6mg (18ius) ED or EOD. (Seros)

Multiple Daily Injects:

I've elevated my IGF1 higher with only 5 IUs early a.m. Vs someone injecting 2 IUs 5 times per day (10 IUs daily)

4IUs Theory:

So then only 4IUs daily should be able to elevate IGF1 in the 600s in 5 days?

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No not 4ius only for the day. The idea that I hear awhile back was to try and keep the dose to 4ius at a time with about 3 hours in between. So if you are using 12ius a day split it up so that you take 4ius at a time. So morning afternoon and evening pin of 4ius a each time.
I've read that more injecting spread out favors better fat loss as well.

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Oh...my bad brutha....yea I was confused.

HRT Clinic recommends doing one a.m. SubQ inject (increase 1iu weekly) until desired IGF1 elevation is achieved.....then a split dose can be done.

There's other variations......P.M. Dose for HRT, etc

I think multiple small doses during the day mimics normal daily "pulse".....but that may/may not shut down or "hinder" daily natty GH "pulse" (Blood Work shows it might) I try and keep it simple

5ius early a.m. SubQ = IGF1 500ng/mL (apprx)

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Absorption is definitely the next riddle to solve.

HailRazor's picture

You'll have to school me on "Absorption".

Mg/IU to IGF1 ratio? (amount)

Saturation/Constant Peak? (timing)

I guess I'm a bit confused.

There are some studies showing X,Y,Z IUs (lower to higher) to IGF1 ratio elevation within one day

Over 4ius was used.

You'll have to school me....I've read and read....then read some more on everything GH.....and at the end of it all....I just pin 5IUs (Pharma) early a.m. then FaGetAboutIt..sometimes we can over complicate stuff

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I'm right there with you man. There's so many different theories out there of when, where and how much to pin. I can't possibly school you, or anybody on absorption rates and I'm not sure who could. In the end you're right, just pin it and be done with it. However, I find the process of Hgh absorption and conversion fascinating, right now I'm researching what aids the liver in converting it and what helps bind it afterword. I'll post up anything useful after I sift through all of the bro-science.

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It is the Deepest Rabbit Hole I've ever encountered! So, I've taken the blue pill and came full circle......I use Pharma.....very simple dose and dose protocol. Good Luck NEO! @_@

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I'm not sure I follow Matt....are you referring to the Low GH Serum # reflecting "absorption"?

His IGF1 at 590 ng/mL and elevated IGFBP3 seems he's "absorbing" the drug after a 10 day blast..(Generator confirmed IGF1 continued to elevate)..now maybe 590 ng/mL at 12IUs reflects that 24IUs per vial may/may not be accurate. But, I think IGF1 serums are based on the individual and SIMEC's results will be the only accurate way to determine Mg/IU.

I see you experimenting with blood work, etc. I think that's great brutha for a source to take the time to do that. But, blood work is used as an "indicator"....not as a tool to show concentration or potency or quality of the GH....not accurately anyway. Lab Testing (SIMEC) leaves out all the guesswork we've been doing over the years with GH Serums/IGF1 Serums, etc

godtropin's picture

hey bro
im not referring to the low GH serum, im referring to the IGF1 level.
lets consider it as 24iu per vial, so he pins 12iu per day, what im saying is that maybe even he pin 6iu per day, his igf1 might reach 500s, coz maybe his body couldnt absorb all 12iu he pin per day, and convert to IGF1. maybe his body takes only 6iu or 8iu per day, the extra iu is wast, but its only guess

btw, u r amazing, u r much more experienced on gh ,and u share a lot of knowledge and your opinion for this community, and i learned a lot from u ,and then doing labs with different protocols, coz its less difficult for me, just look for a place to run blood works.
but for testing product itself, its not easy to find in china. now i get some information from u, then i will contact the labs to do the test for product itself.

thanks bro, and u make me learn more and more, and i try to do all i could

HailRazor's picture

I think he did another IGF1.....it was 620 ng/mL.....so it's still elevating. Definitely heading in the right direction.

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Yeah you're right, most of it is a waste. Now that I've run that portion of the test to show that the serum test is worthless, I've dropped it to 6iu 3am 3pm. I'll pull bloods again at the end and compare the difference. I'll post my second set of labs tonight to show the serum/igf without fasting.

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Thanks for bloods sir

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No problem man.

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If it shows that serum testing is useless then I'm happy to do it.

ss007's picture

Did you run it IM or subq bro?

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Subq has a slightly better absorption rate than IM.

ss007's picture

Ok cool. Also do you recommend double the bac water or just 1.2cc

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Generator's picture

I just go with whatever makes the measurement easy. There are some that say more water helps to not get welts but I've never noticed a difference personally. If it's a 12iu vial I reconstitute with 1.2cc. The test I ran was the stronger dose and I reconstituted with 1.2cc and ran 6iu. Now I am reconstituting the same batch with 2.4cc and running 6iu (so half the dose as before).

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Yea that's what I did with the first two vials. I was thinking of running one at 1.2 to try it out

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Generator's picture

I assume you have the stronger batch. You can reconstitute the stronger batch with 1.2 and run a higher concentrated dose but honestly, the sides are really unpleasant and your liver is only going to process so much GH before it just expels the rest as waste.

ss007's picture

That makes sense. Thanks for the info bro

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No sweat.

landmaster247's picture

Right on bro. Looks really good. Thanks for helping us all out brotha.+1

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Anytime brother.

jagerbombs's picture

Generator thank you! Maybe I'm an idiot so in laymens terms...id this GH good to go? Just got my double dosed kit as well and excited as all hell

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Yeah man you're good, pin away.

Rsto95's picture

Nice! I was a few days away from drawing my bloods on the same batch but ended up in the hospital for a few days with stomach/gallbladder issues... I promised bloodwork and am still going to get it done, but won't be starting up my gh run for a few more days.

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Oh damn, get feeling better bro, the tests can wait.

brad123's picture

Awesome bro thank you!!

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Sure thing

humpnpump's picture

Nice leg work. +2

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Thank you brother

Geo's picture

Thank you +1

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No sweat man, more to come.

solidman's picture

Thanks for posting your results Gen +1

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You bet.

selfster19's picture

Thanks generator. +2

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My pleasure man.

Darkhorse777's picture

Nice test +1 seems like serums are a total waste

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