posted Wed, 01/18/2017 - 17:22
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+ 23 IGF-1 and GH Serum results
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So given all the controversy over the quality and accurate dosage of the Godt240's and especially batch no 260516 I tested IGF-1 and GH Serum on 6IU per day of this batch which I have been running since November. I pinned 6IU 3h15m before the blood draw and I was fasted. The results speak for themselves as far as I am concerned and confirms the quality of the product relative to the sides I was experiencing. Pretty happy with this. I hope this helps the community.
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I'm a bit confused on how to interpret these numbers
Ahhh I read the whole page hell razor interpreted what I was looking for! Good stuff I got 12 kits of these
Thanks for sharing Dacky. Those are insanely high numbers. Do you plan on retesting?
Not at the moment. This is the UK and these test cost about $180 a pop. I think the IGF-1 results are right and we think there may be a lab error with the GH Serum. Possibly a decimal out 16.4.
I just read the thread. That makes more sense. In the us it's not much cheaper. It's the gh serum that's expensive. Igf1 is not to much.
Serum might be 16.4 with a bit of human error?
This is what I am beginning to believe.
Phenomenal numbers!
The GH serum level is beyond insane especially at 6iu
I confirmed the conversion with this calculator
http://unitslab.com/node/28
And this chart
http://extension.psu.edu/animals/health/metabolic-profiling/reference-va...
Someone has some fucking explaining to do. 164ng/ml for real ? Some shit is off here ... either the lab, instruments or the product itself (maybe a crazy single vial??)...
this shouldn't be glossed over in my IMO. If these values are proven true there is an inherit risk of building antibodies cause I HIGHLY doubt the purity of this product if the reading is indeed this high.
yeah it seems odd. Could be a reporting error because even the reference concentration of 0.8 ng/ml seems off. yes ng/ml is ug/l so isn't the normal range around 8 ug/l (0-10) GH serum, which would be one order of magnitude difference. One order of magnitude difference in the reported GHs would be 16.4 ng/ml which would be a more realistic number. so it could be misplaced decimals? Not good for a lab....but it happens.
Confirmed by the lab at 164ng/ml.
Let me confirm my protocol.
I was running 4IU from beginning of November until the first week in December and then moved to 6IU from then until the 23rd. Then took 8 days off and started again at 6IU split as follows. 4IU in the am and 2IU pre bed. On the morning of the test I pinned 6IU IM at 6am and had my blood taken at 9.15am. I have now gone to 8IU per day.
I am also running the following:
Test PP 75mg per day
Tren A 75mg per day
Mast P 100mg per day
Anavar 50mg per day
Caber 0.25mg e3d
No AI
TUDCA
Vit C
Fish oils
AI cycle support
Multi vit
Testing in the UK I believe is different to the US. For example the blood sample is frozen on dry ice and sent to a specialist lab that then tests it. To give you a sense this cost me about $200. I can try and find out the methodology and instruments used but I'm not sure it makes much difference. Isn't the point that IGF-1 is raised as it should be around 6IU per day? What else other than bioactive GH would do this?
What would be the danger of building antibodies?
BlekerstDack run some pharma same way , same dosage, have the same lab test compare the two readings. Personally I believe ur probably happy with this test n u obviously care about where ur investing your money n on wht ur investing it on, u care about what is in your system . So u live ovr in the UK where u cld get excellent pharma grade GH, grab a kit run it for 3-4 weeks n do everything the same n see wht those numbers read. Just a thought. But ty for sharing. I appreciated it , just not familiar with GH like tht. Thts why we need the labs n these experienced vets tht are kind enough to be here to help. TY to them as well.
Yeah maybe. It's not a bad idea. I will like to see what some of the other labs that will be run over the coming weeks will show. I have a feeling this has more to do with the testing methodology used here. I've asked some additional questions of the lab. No guarantee they will answer me but I will let you know if I find out more. Also a new company here is introduced GH compound testing from March. I'm still waiting on details and pricing but I intend to submit a vial for testing.
That would be cool D (submitting a vial)
Keep us posted and thanks for testing
Will do. So I do have one question. I was reading some old posts you were on about whether 192aa would raise GH Serum numbers in a blood test or not but I never saw a definitive answer. Did you ever get to the bottom of that one? I do get red welts from this GH but I get these even when using Pharma so can't read much into that. IGF-1 levels are good so that's something.
I think now 191 is what's being produced even on black market. Quality and consistency is the issue with black market
The consistent red welt could be this:
http://www.biosyn.com/endotoxin-detection-and-removal-services.aspx
It's a byproduct
Cheers. Still scratching my head about the serum number. Guess it will remain a mystery. Let's hope these guys get up and running with there GH sample testing and it's affordable.
Somatomedin-C (insulinlike growth factor) - (CU) ng/ml 0.131 (SI) nmol/l
SI unit => conventional unit: divide by factor
56 nmol/l divide by .131 = 427.48 ng/ml
http://www.soc-bdr.org/content/rds/authors/unit_tables_conversions_and_g...
IGF1 427.48 ng/mL @ 6IUs (seems ok)
IGF1 307.03 - 351.22 ng/mL @ 4IUs of AngT
https://www.eroids.com/pics/igf-1-results-angtropin
https://www.eroids.com/pics/angtropin-3-weeks-4iu-ed-igf-1-before-and-after
GH Serum 164
https://www.eroids.com/pics/new-genoxon-serum-hgh-igf-1-bloodtest
Who knows? It's only blood work.
You can't determine that from a simple GH Serum
Here:
http://www.alphalyse.com/biopharmaceuticals/antibody-characterization/
http://www.alphalyse.com/biopharmaceuticals/protein-quantification/amino...
Just send in a vial to be tested if everyone is so concerned
I've done it many times.....sometimes the bloodwork doesn't reflect what's in the vial (HGH and Testosterone)
This is why I use PHARMA
With all due respect ... I have yet to see a lab whose testing I trust for rhgh (at a reasonable price)
I'm actually waiting to see the results of that other lab you found to dbl check the serostims ... unless I missed it ... haven't seen a status update
Yep
I agree with you 100 %. Even the mg/mL testing from SIMEC is off. But....keep in mind, SIMEC isn't a protein testing lab . They are just doing "individual testing" for HGH samples. Results depend on who does the testing (Dr A or Matt)
The simple $100-200 AAA testing isn't the most accurate test for formulated proteins (according to 2 labs)
And in regards to the weird testing results ... if you look st the protocols used the 70 serum result was when "15iu" of the respective product (genoxen) was used ... here we are dealing with less then half the dosage when compared (6iu vs 15iu) to the other test but it produced more then double the result (164ng/ml vs 70ng/ml) ..
If the brits did have a completely different testing methodology I would expect their refereance range to reflect higher ... which doesn't appear to be the case here ...
Shit KR....I agree bro...that's the craziest, highest GH Serum I think we've seen. And we've both been on eroids a long time. Lol
But comparing this IGF1 to the AngT that seems to be a similar lab used...seems ok
We can analyze the blood work "numbers" all day....but testing the vial itself is always best. And honestly, Matts GT seems to always test ok when sent to a lab. Now there has been hiccups....but it happens with generics
I wish TrenAllDay would do a GH Serum on his kit but I realize his frustration
On a side note:
Since Karl posted some info about IGF1 LR3 and GH levels....I've switched to pre-workout dosing instead of early a.m. dosing. Incorporating my workouts around the short burst of GH Serum elevation and not worrying much about IGF1 levels. Not sure what long term IGF1 levels at 400-600 long term will do (Acromegaly). Just a little 'BroScience' experiment
Yeah i had a wtf moment when I saw these results ...
Even after all these years the mystery behind hgh blood work and analysis still prevails lol
About your side note...
Hah nice ... using any slin to go along with it ? I bet you'll pack on some tissue fast with those igf levels if that's your goal. And hows the lethargy ? Any impact on the intensity at the gym?
I miss ole school GFit. Lotta blood work back then.
I've been messing with the GH and IGF1 LR3 - pre and post workout (no slin)
Seem to be getting more vascular. The pump during work out is intense
Maybe we should start another thread. I'd like some feed back from Trenabolic and more advanced users. I'm liking this protocol Vs dosing early a.m. Not sure if it's "better"
I can tell you what George Farah has his guys do, and what Hany Rambod has his guys do. Complete opposites. PM if interested n their protocols.
I spike 4iu am and after 15-30 min hit fasted cardio
Then spike again 1 hour prewo 4iu and after training have huge carb meal ( 80 g complex , 70g simple carb) with 1000mg metformin
I seem to gain nicely last 3-4 weeks ..will put up pics
Respect
Dope
Thanks D
That's the info I'm lookin for
No problem hail ,my pleasure brother
Have learned so much from you
Respect
Dope
ZandaHey, are you "spiking" meaning IM injection? I believe so but just checking.
I like to do a preworkout "spike" as well. Great lifts.
Yep zanda my brother , IM in delt or bis or tris
Have noticed it hits harder in small muscles but maybe just in my head :-)
Respect
Dope
Damn good investigative work Lou. I am curious as hell how this is possible as well
Thanks ! But who's Lou? Lol
+1 thank you Sir
i finished this batch 2 days ago...i loved it , one of the best chinese i used. i used 5ius ed
i saw the other bad test the other week and i thought holy shit how is possible , i'm having great results with it. thanks for your test
+1
This really surprises me. My results were not so good with this product. Good levels though bro +1
he(godt) selectively sends out good and bad i think....
You're a bit too bitter buddy, and a lone voice among many happy customers. When will you let it go?
rocketballzInteresting and indeed possible. It would have to be ruled out somehow, or it remains an option. On one hand I'm all about hooking up my boys like when I get some insane medicinals G:), but on the other hand he would have to know he's sending out a bunk batch to someone and only God knows wjhat's in them, pun fully intended. Those numbers look really strong
only if more and more people got bloods, which i highly doubt will happen.
If YOU got a simple GH SERUM test on your kit......it would put all your "speculation" to rest (your kit is not bunk)
Write a review and move on......
+1 for bloods. But I hope this doesn't deter others from getting bloods and just assuming "oh it's good there's one decent blood test" because I think there is too much inconsistency with these that should be brought to light.
Your a F*cken smuck bro. Ur what we call a LOSER here on the east coast. KID.
rocketballzUr what we call a fanboy. Zip it unless you got something constructive to say
Thanks for posting bro ...+1. I'm running the same batch but only 3iu's per day. I was on 4iu's for about 3 weeks but my hands were so swollen I couldn't close them to make a fist and had to drop to 3 a day. It's now been 2 weeks at 3iu's a day and all is better so now I'm going back up to 4 again.
Thanks Dack +1
Nice brother I'm running this batch now but about out. Thanks for posting +1
Just to help better interpret these results ... and converting to US values
IGF-1 56nmol/l = 427.48 ng/ml
GH Serum 164 ug/l = 164 ng/ml (!!??)
I've never seen serum value this high before and considering it was from 6iu ... also would imagine igf values well above 427 if indeed GH Serum is that high and actually bioactive ...
even overdosed rips from back in the day registered at like 48+/- ng/ml with the whole "10iu" vial being used to test GH serum
I realize there is a whole host of other factors regarding igf synthesis and levels but god damn ... either my conversion is off or fuck I dunno ... anyone have any input ?
+1 for the op testing these
lol the conversion has to be off, no way someone gets a serum of 164 on any dose of gh. 65 was crazy to see on those generic black tops that turned out to be 50% underdosed, so serum is all over the place. But i dont think it could get that high.
But those are good numbers, were all different and our livers put out igf-1 at different rates, some can pull 500+ on 6ius, others are around 300. Either way 400+ igf-1 levels are all thats necessary to burn some fat, build a little muscle, get all the health and anti aging benefits and the full muscle popping paper skin 4d look gh gives.
It's not off ... check here: http://unitslab.com/node/28
This is getting weird now.