posted Tue, 12/02/2014 - 16:39
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Anyone ran these?
I just ran that batch and they seemed strong to me. I got bad wrist pain and numbness at 3 ius. I would say there legit. Now I, running the 200 iu blue tops with the same batchotel number. Still seem good. +1
I am running them right now! Everybody keeps saying they are peptides but imo they are doing what they are supposed to. +1
Peptide is technically correct.
But is it the correct one.
True. I meant peptide in a bodybuilding context. Do you believe they contain at least some 191aa GH or are they completely something else?
Sorry bro....I didn't mean it in an "assho@le" way. It's not rhGH. Not saying all of it is bunk. There used to be a steady flow of quality GH. Asia is more than capable of producing it. But, it's the environment in which they are produced mainly driven to supply the market for cheap hGH. A series of testing like I've seen recently on Genotropin/Omnitrope would give most of the GH being sold on the black market a "research purposes only" stamp. It's exactly the same reason IGF-1 LR3 isn't openly available. Producing that and rhGH is similar.
So is it just impure/bad quality GH or not GH at all? Regardless of benefits/sides
Well, like this kit. Maybe it's legit, but none of us know what it consist of. Real science and FDA has standards. This product is not tested or made to any standard. Elevated IGF-1. Bro Science. Insulin like growth factor binding protein-3 is one of the things we have overlooked. So according to FDA/PK/PD, IGF-1 is not the standard used for knowing (bioactive) effectiveness. IGF-1, and no other blood test, is used for rhGH that is already known bioactive (legit). Elevated IGF-1, IGFBP-3 (unknown) sides with no benefits. I'm open for any other info on the subject.
So basically what your saying is that even though labs confirm elevated concentrations of different hormones, those hormones are rendered bio-inactive. IGF-1 by binding to it´s binding proteins and testosterone by binding to SHBP for example. Intersting. But if that is the case we can stop pulling bloods altogether. Also, I think that the binding proteins usually stay at the same percentage, which means that the net effect should increase with the percent increase of the hormone. I do believe that binding proteins increase as the hormones increase, but not to the same extent. Which means that if IGF-1 is elevated we don´t get all the benefits we should but at least some of them, because some of the additional IGF-1 will (hopefully) be unbound because the increase in binding protein to it´s respective hormone ratio is not linear
Bioidentical Hormones. Yes, there's back n forth on that. But Big Pharma does offer some and more studies going on. Recombinant Human Growth Hormones are not the same. Biosimilars. I've mentioned it before. Big movement in Asia. So three seperate tests were used to prove the Bioequivalence of and unapproved rhGH brand compared to an FDA approved brand. Test showed "bioavailability"...it's effectiveness. Once approved, only then is IGF-1 used as a standard for testing. Because of the Immunogenicity of these types of "therapeutic" hormones, they must be identical in structure to our natural hormone.
So let´s say the "growth" hormone manufactured in China is not bioidentical but still binds to the GH receptors which then initiate their cascade mechanisms to induce IGF-1 production in the liver. Even if the hormone did not match the amino acid sequence of endogenous GH the receptors are still gonna be activated because many blood works confirm elevated IGF-1. My question, if the person doesn´t develop antibodies to the "false" GH, does injecting a non bioidentical hormone do any long term harm?
I'm hoping this back n forth convo is striking up an interest in you and others to start doing some research. Because that's a very good thing. That's what happened with me, and I don't even use these products. So let's take China out of the equation, and look at the product itself. The studies are showing, real pharmaceutic studies, immunogenicity in humans from therapeutic hormones. It's more about effectiveness than harm. BUT, harm from being noneffective or a tolerance build up to non or Bioidentical rhGH can and should be considered when used in a prescribed medical sense. I'm going to post something up in relation to this as soon as I get some lab results I've been waiting for. Epitope, tolerance, non and neutralizing antibodies are some things that are interesting about therapeutic hormones that you could look up if you are interested. Prescribed rhGH for AGHD has gone from lyophilized, pre-constituted, to the new PEG. Immunogenicity is part of the reason.
Hitman187Is there any proof to this whole peptide conspiracy or is it just bro science?
Nobody really knows, because no impartial member got mass spec done. IGF-1 are consistently elevated if you look through all the blood tests on that batch since June. There are about 10 good ones and 2 bad ones. IMO it all comes down to the source and how they are stored. I am running 5iu hyge blacks right now and I really want it to be legit GH, but I don´t know. To sum it up, common GH sides are present among most members (not Irongame though), but raised IGF-1, GH serum elevation and GH sides could potentially be mimicked by a peptide cocktail. One thing that is for sure, Hygetropin are not equivalent to Seros or Genos even though it should theoretically contain the exact same protein with the exact same effects on the body
Here's a good way to tell if they're real. Stop your diet . Start eating shit all day and drinking every weekend and run idc 10ius ed of these. If you get shredded as fuck they're real. If not then they're not. Cause I've seen this first hand on 3ius of real gh 5 days on 2 off. Crap diet tons of booze and got shredded as hell
hey bro
im running 10ius a day lol and my diet is by far the worst its ever been in my life , and i mean donnar and chips before bed , pizzas , just crap , ive gained 3kg in 6 weeks and im leaner than when i used to box , scaled say 7.5% bf and getting tighter all the time while still making lean gains , overall im really really happy with these
AnonThat's the plan lmao
currently loving the booze and shit diet
Yeah they are decent. Enjoy!
Iron_MonkLol check my pics bruh..
+1 buuuuuuddy:)