+ 10 Gorilla King Sust/GH Bloods
Ran some bloods on Gorilla King Sustanon and GH recently. 150mgs a week on the Sustanon and 4iu daily on the GH.
Sustanon
A month on Sustanon at 150mgs, ‘trt’ dose.
Blood drawn ~36hours after pin, will try a different time frame for mid-cycle bloods (new to testing levels on Sustanon, hear it can be tricky due to short esters).
GH (caveats below)
First time getting bloods on GH (overall pretty new to GH, have been on it for the last 2 months).
***1.5 weeks on his GH dosing at 4iu daily (previously on Arni GH Golds) — not sure if this was the right protocol for GH testing but I’ll look to take more bloods mid-cycle and amend appropriately.
~12hours after last dose (2ius previous night).
Other
Estrogen is a little high but don’t feel it much. Decent range for me is in the 30-40s.
Not posted here are my cholesterol and liver values.
Cholesterol is a little high but attributing that to 40mgs anavar for the last 1.5 months.
Liver values are finally healthy (Tren/Winny did a number on them a while back).
Everything else in line.
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$150 100iu HGH is probably not going yield much at 4iu. probably need 10iu to make up for the quality or underdosing. Usually**** get what you pay for with GH. I would never buy $150 GH unless it was a personal plug on someone with health insurance getting it for cheap, because after market GH should be $300-$400 for 100iu market price right now. Otherwise cheap shopping GH will land you right where you are. My experience, not scientific data. But this does show some backing to my experience. & at 10iu a day on $150 might as well get Ultima or Odin soma and run 5iu. Comes out the same.
What? The provider. Orange tops. Etc
I get it, I wasn’t looking for pharma grade quality or levels. I’ll be testing in a few weeks with bloods drawn after injecting and not the night after to see how things play out then.
I’ve seen way too many quality control issues to trust Odin but appreciate the suggestion.
Did you end up retesting igf levels?
@Bassnectar Your T4 is crashed and FT4 is headed in the same direction, yet your TSH is normal. T3 uptake is high possibly due to the gh increasing conversion, but that test is worthless. Total T3 test would be a better measure.
Do you have any baseline thyroid tests we can compare, when your not on hgh?
Growth hormone use can unmask central hypothyroidism: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941435/
Appreciate the link. And I did some digging and the only test I can find is from 2021 with both T3/T4 in the normal range.
I have had random issues with my Thyroid in the past though. Now that I live in a state that actually lets me get my own exams I’ll start building benchmarks and hopefully have a decent trend analysis.
Nice score on the test. Would like to see the IGF higher than that. I would recommend getting a baseline for IGF at some point in time so have something to compare to. Normally 4iu should put you 350+, but is hard to tell how you respond to it., hence the value of a baseline. Stay the course on your current HGH protocol and retest in a couple more weeks if you get the chance.
Yeah @Bassnectar I hope you retest with a better protocol and use store credit to load up on more of that GH, would give us and yourself some more insight, thanks for testing though
Thank you both. And do have another kit coming via credit.
Mid-cycle bloods will come during week 6/7 using the following:
— 500mgs of Sust (decaonate ester should be built up by then as Gh0st mentioned below)
— 2 months of consistent GH usage (all at 4iu)
Just know that estrogen is necessary for conversion to IGF-1 so if you start throwing in an AI that is going to throw off the test as well. But glad you’re going to repeat!
Yeah I just addressed issue of folks fear of Estrogen on that other src's si. Normal amounts are integral. Normally Estrogen has an influence on GH, IGF, cell hydration etc. Very important hormone in right amounts. Good point
Lipid health. Even for fat loss brother. It’s very important! I hate seeing unnecessary AI use.
Yeahhh budddy! Like you just mentioned a whole bunch of things. I agree, hate seeing unnecessary AI use too. And some guys wonder why they aren't growing like they should..smh
AIs have become a staple in everyone cycle with out having idea if they are needed or not. No symptoms and they just take them.It makes no sense. E2 in the high normal range is my suggestion
That's so true my man. Yep makes no sense I agree. Estrogen does so much for us in the right amounts. And keep up the good work. I haven't forgotten about ya. I gotta keep the good srcs on my radar for sure 100%. I kinda pointed @Bassnectar in your direction. Glad he's doing well. We thank u and him for these bloods that look good.
sounds good thanks again for testing brother, I also had a learning experience my first time
When testing for IGF, just pin your normal daily dose of GH and then test whenever that day. There is a different protocol for GH serum but IGF score has the most meaning nowadays so that is what I would test for.
TricepatopsAnavar I know effects HDL more then LDL. What was you HDL like?
Total came in at 235 (far cry from the 400s I’ve tested at in the past).
HDL low at 25 and LDL high at 194. Fully stopped all orals and retesting in about 6 weeks.
RustyhookerE2....get ai rollin.
Hgh....pin dose and test 3hrs later for peak
Sust....no clue on your protocol. 1 single pin? 3yrs on dose? I personall wouldnt trt on sust. I have a post on when to test.
Suggesting an AI just because his E2 is high though he clearly stats no real symptoms and doesn’t notice it is assanine.
Started AI, aro @25mgs for a few days then tapering down.
I’ll give that a shot, that along with a full month on his GH should paint the full story.
Experimenting with Sustanon for trt, usually run E/C. Sust at MWF pins (working for me so far). Figured I give a month of trt w/Sust a shot as I transition into Sust cycle (most likely back on E/C post-cycle).
It’s not that tricky if you just waited a decent period of time to let some of the longer eaters build brother. Why did you get these drawn so early?
Should’ve waited til at least the 4 week mark on new GH and same with test
I messed up and originally quoted 2 weeks on the Sust, been a month. Started as soon as I received it (a month ago), oopsie there.
But fully heard on the GH, I’ll be running his throughout so it should be fully built up by the halfway mark. Ran GH test since I was already running other bloods.
Ahh that makes sense. Depends how you’re spacing out the Sust as far as labs. 36hrs with those esters would still be considered closer to a peak than a trough assuming even at a TRT dose you’re doing MWF dosing?
Yes sir, MWF.
Got it. Only decent way to do it would be to have them done Monday morning prior to your next shot after about 6 weeks preferably for that decanoate ester to build up as much as it can. It’s not gonna be very far off to be honest though the way you did it. My best guess would be around 100-150 points difference? What do you normally test on this dose of say cypionate for TRT?
Thanks for getting bloods! About @ 6x multiplier on the Sust. Your free test is looking pretty too. We will still honor your bloodwork credit although you are a bit early on the igf bloods protocol. Igf should be done at least 3 weeks on a regular dose of 1 sources product. Also, everybody like to see 100 points per iu of gh, some of us just can’t quite pull that magic number, lol, darn it.
Anyways, thanks a lot for posting and email for credit!
Makes sense, figured I was a little too early. Glad I have mid/post-cycle bloods scheduled.