I got this as a replacement of sorts from pharmacoms recent dbol promo. Got the dbol, tried it up to 60 mg ED and was eating like a horse. No weight gain, no real strength increase. Maybe I don't respond well to this compound. So, after a not so glowing review from me, Darius offered to send me another oral to test out. I'm on a mild cutter right now, so winny was a perfect choice. Should go well with my test e / mast e cycle.