posted Fri, 02/21/2014 - 00:10
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+ 9 Evogene IGF-1 and Serum Results
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I ran these for 11 days. 5iu days 1 & 2, then 10iu\day for the next 9 days.
IGF-1 is GREAT, highest I've hit so far 524!
We're trying to figure out why the Serum HGH tested low, 2.1?!?
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I think cjc would cause this.
Raise igf but gh serum comes back low.
Why we would u test igf after 11 days?
The stuff I've read on CJC-1295 states it raises HGH and IGF-1.
HGH causes an increase in IGF-1 within a couple hours and peaks from a single injection in 24 hrs. It does make cumulative increases which from what I've read top out at 3-4 weeks.
Thanks friend
So igf in the vials?
I don't know? Another guy tested very similar.
AnonSerum of 2
igf in the 500's
So is this igf?
Still trying to figure it out. Beyondimport had 9.4 Serum and 655 IGF-1
http://www.eroids.com/pics/gorilla-evo-hgh-bloodwork
Maybe this "NewTechnology" HGH may have a different Peak timing????
I'm taking Evogene HGH, what lab tests Do I have to do to check if it's doing its job properly?
How many UIs Do I have to inject and after how many hours do I have to take the blood sample?
Normal protocol for testing HGH Serum is 10iu IM injection 3.5 hours before having Blood pulled.
If you are checking for IGF-1 increase there are 2 protocols, 1 if you have a base line IGF-1 test already done in which case you would inject your proposed dose 24 hrs prior to bloods to see the IGF-1 rise from that dose. The other is to run the HGH at your normal dose for a period of approx 3 weeks to get your IGF-1 at its peak.
Obama BlowsI get those PM's a lot. Sometimes I answer, others I just copy and paste a link to the info they shoulda looked up lol
Yea, I'd rather just tell them before they run the wrong protocol, then post the HGH is no good cause they did 3iu 6 hrs before the test.
Obama BlowsThat one always pains me
thank you, though I don't think i'll take such a big dose of hgh in a short time, last year I used Saizen and had a bad pancreatic disease at 2 UIs daily so I'm cautious.
Now I'm taking 2 UIs 6 days avery week, i'll increase the dose gradually.
But tried to send an email to Alley and got no reply... strange don't you think?
I saw that you are very expert, can you accept my friendship here on eroids? I'd be very glad!
Alley hasn't answered my contact either.
FR accepted
Mescasermin could raise IGF-1 but I don't know about it's effect on GH ...
Got this link from the Wikipedia entry: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724186/
BillLumberghIf this is legit igf-1 I think I'd be more prone to buying it...
Obama BlowsSAME HERE! I'm gonna look into it as well...I'm determined to find the fucking holy grail!
I think IGF-1 has more bad sides (especially hypoglycemia) than GH. Apparently GH moderates the negative effects of IGF-1 even though a lot of the positive effects of GH are the result of increased IGF-1 levels.
Obama BlowsThis is true, which is partially why GH can be ran for 1+ years continuously. Whereas IGF needs to be cycled. But if you can put on 3-5 pound of solid muscle in 50 days of this stuff a few times a year, that's TOP NOTCH!
I wish I would have been hitting it hard while doing these, but I was coming off after the EBC Win. I have to get ready, My Dr wants bloods!
Obama BlowsWell I know you and I are both GH junkies through and through and would prolly choose it over sex, but if you wanna join me in my quest, I'd greatly appreciate it bro!
Its another tool in the fight against father time. Personally I'd much rather make love to my wife than pin!
I'm always up for finding the real deal so sure I'll join the quest. Do we get a secret handshake? LOL ;-P
Obama BlowsSorta! We just throw slin pins at each other till we've each been stuck and that's our handshake lol
Lmfao that's the ticket
That's a good read, Thanks!
It doesn't raise IGF-1 though, Mecasermin is IGF-1.
Mecasermin (recombinant human insulin-like growth factor I)
The study says Mecasermin (rhIGH1) does raise circulating IGF-1 levels with a peak 8 hours after injection:
"Pharmacokinetic studies demonstrated a comparable concentration for circulating IGF-1 with twice a day rhIGF1 injections of 80 ÎĽg/kg and daily rhIGF1/IGFBP-3 in a dose either 0.5 mg/kg (equivalent to 100 ÎĽg/kg of rhIGF1) or 1mg/kg (equivalent to 200 ÎĽg/kg of rhIGF1). The time of maximal concentration for rhIGF1 treatment alone was eight hours and for combination treatment was about 19 hours at the low dose and 15 hours at higher dose. The 24 hour area under the curve (AUC) was comparable between rhIGF1 therapy and the higher combination dose, while it was less for the lower combination dose."
My point is it doesn't cause the body to make IGF-1, it is IGF-1.
Oh OK I see what you meant ... Yea I agree - I meant raise IGF-1 on a blood test - not cause your body to make more.
Why not the desired outcome? My IGF-1 is the highest its been on anything I've tested!
Check Double G's page he posted some info.
Obama BlowsHow long before the test did you inject the HGH on the day of the test?
Standard Protocol, 3.5 hrs!
AnonDid you fast?
No, it hasn't mattered with HGH Serum in the past.
Obama BlowsYa, I've always decided that the need to fast was more or less a myth
The fasting effects Endogenous HGH\IGF-1, but not Exogenous as far as I have seen.
Obama BlowsHmm...That is odd, that's for sure!
Thanks, Mr. Fit. I'm going to give these a try on my next order. +1
Your welcome! Keep an eye on G's intro page he has contacted Alley about this and will post info on his page.
Crazy guess igf test alone aren't good enough anymore +1 thanks for the testing
Man there is so much to learn about HGH. Shit doctors, endo's and scientist are still discovering shit! We're doing it on limited budgets and self injections! LOL ;-P
dragonsfly033there are many possible explanation about this weird results.
1) lab test was done mistakenly. They used bad reagent or expired sample so that hgh was not detected. A second test should be done to eliminate any doubt.
2) evogene could be only igf1-lr3 or des and not hgh at all, and this would explain why igf1 is high and hgh low.
3) evogene could be a peptide like hgh frag 176-191, it means that it is a small fragment of the 191 AA chain that stimulates igf1 and only igf1 so that lab equipment was not able to detect real hgh.
anyway to be sure 100% what evogene contains a gas chromatography–mass spectrometry analysis should be carried out...till then every hypothesis is possible...the real fact is that we are all guinea pigs...ahahaha
thanks for posting
p.s. what do you think about the product ? how did you feel it? what are your sensations before the test was done ? did you get sides?
When you say "possible" think about what your writing.
1) this is the second test which came up very high on IGF-1 and lower than expected on HGH
2) IGF-lr3 does not build in your system like continuous HGH injections cause.
3) HGH Frag does not show as HGH Serum in Bloods and as far as I know does not give such a high IGF-1 increase. If it did people would just run Frag!
I think if it can maintain my IGF-1 at that level its good. I was off cycle and workouts when I tested it so there was no other stress or AAS effecting my levels. In the 3 weeks since the EBC I have only done HGH, My Nutrition control was shit, yet I maintained my weight at 244 from peak of 250 at contest end, my 1st workouts Wed and Thu were great! Quads are showing detail again. I feel GOOD, (besides financial situation) and my memory has been getting way better! I haven't really had many sides in a long time from HGH.
dragonsfly033Bro you know better than me that if you inject hgh it must be detected in your blood. So we have two hypothesis:
lab reagents are bad or lab samples are wrong; evogene is not hgh as affirmed but an igf1-like substance.
Do you have a better explanation?
P. S. Peptides are becoming cutting edge substance so I think that this UG labs are manufacturig new products that are hgh-like substance and sell them for real hgh. Who knows what are we injecting? Mass chromatography of evogene is the only solution
BillLumberghIf there was no hgh his serum test would have scored a .1. Peps can raise serum a whole lot more than that(guy recently posted a 45 serum for CJC and ipam), but I don't know of any peps that can raise igf-1 that high.
If there are, I'd like to know what they are because I'm going to run them instead of hgh..
Heres another possibility, this particular HGH process, or the 2 years old that this HGH is has effected its absorption rate, and it does't peak at 3.5 hrs, possibly 2, or 5? I really would like to be able to test HGH serum every 15-30 minutes between 2 and 5 hrs, unfortunately I can't afford to.
So you would first guess the 2 labs testing were wrong, then your next guess is it is an "IGF1-like" substance?!?!?!?!?!?! You did see beyonds test results were like 9 serum right? IGF-1 like substances do not raise HGH Serum. Unless this is some new "IGF1-like" substance that we haven't heard of yet that raises both IGF-1 and HGH Serum, Oh wait that's what HGH does!
So in actuality we are only trying to find out why the HGH Serum was lower than expected!
dragonsfly033You could be right. Hgh absorption could hace been altered by a degradation process because it is an old batch.But in this case despite of its degradation and the fact that it is an old batch, how could it be so strong to raise igf1 to this elevated mark?
Believe me when I say that most private labs use either bad reagent or expired kit for business opportunity. Once I had tested my blood in a private lab and after I saw results I had to retest it to hospital because results were wrong.
so results could be totally wrong and we are trying to figure out what evogene is when it is simply hgh but blood test was carried out wrongly.
We have to keep in mind bro that all hgh of black market we use is chinese and evogene do not make exception. What we really inject either in term of purity or strenght is almost impossible to know. Anyway thanks for your post and hope we have found a new potent produt to count on..
Possibly if it were fresh it would have raised my IGF-1 to 1,000!?!?
I find it difficult to believe that Labcorp is using bad reagents and expired kits, especially on 2 separate tests.
It is my understanding Evogene is European, and this particular HGH uses a different process which increases Purity, activity, and storage time.
http://alleygh.com/services_1_new.html
Obama BlowsIf the HGH absorption rate was slowed a bit, the IGF levels would still be this high. IGF levels takes several days to reach peak levels anyways, unlike HGH serum, which is at ~3.5 hours. So after the course of 11 days, the few extra hours that it (in theory) took for the HGH to be absorbed, would be irrelevant.
dragonsfly033Bro when a drug is expired means that it doesnt work anymore. All drugs have expiring date to guarantee efficacy and potency. An expired drug could heal nothing. Secondly you know how fragile is hgh and how it degradates quickly, so if this batch is an old batch it means that its potency could have been compromised.
In this case it has no effect on igf1. We are speculating to figure out how weird this results are but if we want to be sure what evogenecis a mass chromatografy shoul be done.
It had not reached the expiration date, and after expiration it would more than likely slowly lose potency, not just be no good. Expired drugs still work just not at the same dose.
IMO Mass spec or chromatography is only as effective as the experience of the operator. Especially in the case of HGH which is very delicate.