Yes I agree going to do more research so I can perfect my diet/training and see what I can gain. Mean while run letro get this gyno out of the way and than down the road run a cycle. thanks for help.
bro... i didn't read your post, but i did hear about it.. mainly because you are continuing to ask the same questions over and over. questions to which some well versed fellas have taken the time to not only answer for you but also break it down for you. it's starting to look like you're trying to find justification for something and not willing to accept the help that is being offered... i hope i'm wrong, but this is what it is looking like. i think you should take some time off from posting and cycling. review your past posts and the comments therein. then browe the forums. keep a pen and pad next to you pc and jot down the key points of the posts that interest you. you will gain a lot from doing this and you will mature (wisdom wise) much faster. i wish you the best, but my advice to you ends here..
If you don't want to flare your gyno up then do NOT touch the deca!! In fact don't touch any steroids if you want make your best attempt at getting rid of it.. Do the normal 2.5mg letro blast for a few weeks then aromasin tapper routine.. I find nolva in the mix helps.. Cut body fat while you do it and it'll shrink.
adding to this is the fact that prolactin has a direct relationship to estrogen, and they work synergistically with one another in the formation of gyno. here's a study i found on this:
You'd dose aromasin full tab when you come off the letro to stop rebound for a few days then split it in half and continue to taper the dose down until you don't need it any more. Letro will cause estro rebound and you could end up with worse gyno than you already have which would suck. And yeah it might effect lifts because your joints will dry out and all around your going to feel lazy
Honestly the Deca will give you prolactin induced Gyno so Caber is a must
I'm not prone to Gyno and wow Deca will do it to ya....so be careful on that one....
D-Bol is bad but controllable with a simple AI (Letro obviously being the strongest)
Arimidex should be fine and Aromasin being the weakest....
I would consider running the Test only and see what happens or Test and Equipoise
There are no certainties when dealing with gyne. The general rule of thumb is the longer you've had the gyno, the higher the chance you'll have it for good.
Running letrozole for gyne treatment is no joke. Your body depends on estrogen for many functions, including the formation of serotonin and it's absorption. By bottoming out your estrogen you will also bottom out your serotonin, leading to serious mental health concerns.
IMO- letrozole MAY have been an option if taken as soon as you experienced a flare up, but it's doubtful it will help at this point.
yeah.. I might try letro before cycle.. If it goes away great.. or do a cycle.. if it doesnt flare great if its the same ill try letro if that doesnt work. have sergery what do youthink?
not if he's on deca.. nolva will upregulate the progesterone receptors and raise prolactin issues. nolva should not be used while on cycle of 19nors. stick to caber and the AI.
Nolva does not up regulate progesterone receptors. The ONLY study that showed up regulation was dealing with cancerous tissue, which behaves erratically to begin with. The rest of the studies show down regulation of e2 and progesterone receptors using tamoxifen treatment. If you join a good steroid based forum you'll find similar information.
nolva raises prolactin when using 19nors. this is a fact that you simply cannot avoid unless you are using the right ancilaries. only caber will suppress prolactin, and prolactin WILL cause e2 to increase as well as increase the cells responsiveness to it.
The mechanism of action for letrozole is eliminating the conversion of androgens into estrogen, thus leaving your receptors deprived of estrogen. The mechanism for nolvadex is filling the receptors with an inert form of estrogen, thus leaving the receptors deprived of estrogen.
As you can see your only hope for reversal in stopping estrogen from getting to the receptors. So why not pick the least harsh of the two.
Nolva on cycle with deca raises prolactin issues. Or all the vets would be clearly advising nolva instead of caber. Especially since good nolva is Hella cheap. 4 tabs caber is $60 with shipping. A month of nolve is 35 with shipping. Our goal here is a No titty zone.....unless that'd the goal. Lol.
You should not cycle any steroids sir. You are not ready mentally or physically. Please stay natty and hulk out with good foods and exercise.
Yes I agree going to do more research so I can perfect my diet/training and see what I can gain. Mean while run letro get this gyno out of the way and than down the road run a cycle. thanks for help.
Anonnice way to humble yourself. good luck
Why delete post? This could help others with the same issue...
Ah didn't think of that need to write it up again.
Anonbro... i didn't read your post, but i did hear about it.. mainly because you are continuing to ask the same questions over and over. questions to which some well versed fellas have taken the time to not only answer for you but also break it down for you. it's starting to look like you're trying to find justification for something and not willing to accept the help that is being offered... i hope i'm wrong, but this is what it is looking like. i think you should take some time off from posting and cycling. review your past posts and the comments therein. then browe the forums. keep a pen and pad next to you pc and jot down the key points of the posts that interest you. you will gain a lot from doing this and you will mature (wisdom wise) much faster. i wish you the best, but my advice to you ends here..
Um I mainly posted these pics so ppl could actually see a picture of me. And determine how bad the gyno is and what I should do
AnonI wasn't referring to your pics... Just your repetitive posts
If you don't want to flare your gyno up then do NOT touch the deca!! In fact don't touch any steroids if you want make your best attempt at getting rid of it.. Do the normal 2.5mg letro blast for a few weeks then aromasin tapper routine.. I find nolva in the mix helps.. Cut body fat while you do it and it'll shrink.
Nolva ON cycle raises prolactin. Do not use nolva with deca. Caber/prami only.
I didn't mean nolva on cycle =x I meant nolva with the letro/aromasin gyno eradication routine to rid himself of gyno.. I meant don't do any cycles xD
Anonadding to this is the fact that prolactin has a direct relationship to estrogen, and they work synergistically with one another in the formation of gyno. here's a study i found on this:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076003005090
Sounds like a good plan. thanks for your help!
My thought process is we're murdering gyno not shrinking it.. every ones got their own routine.. youll be miserable for a few weeks either way.
So it will be hard to lift or what?? I will lose muscle mass? also if this works.. once its gone im good to start a cycle but just take aromasin ed?
You'd dose aromasin full tab when you come off the letro to stop rebound for a few days then split it in half and continue to taper the dose down until you don't need it any more. Letro will cause estro rebound and you could end up with worse gyno than you already have which would suck. And yeah it might effect lifts because your joints will dry out and all around your going to feel lazy
breakingfaceAdditionally, it doesnt just suppress your sex drive, it eliminates it.
I never had a problem with getting hardons which i hear a lot of guys do but yeah sex became more like a chore on letro
juice12345678Honestly the Deca will give you prolactin induced Gyno so Caber is a must
I'm not prone to Gyno and wow Deca will do it to ya....so be careful on that one....
D-Bol is bad but controllable with a simple AI (Letro obviously being the strongest)
Arimidex should be fine and Aromasin being the weakest....
I would consider running the Test only and see what happens or Test and Equipoise
GL
yeah test eq would be a safe bet. might get good results from that alone
breakingfaceThere are no certainties when dealing with gyne. The general rule of thumb is the longer you've had the gyno, the higher the chance you'll have it for good.
Running letrozole for gyne treatment is no joke. Your body depends on estrogen for many functions, including the formation of serotonin and it's absorption. By bottoming out your estrogen you will also bottom out your serotonin, leading to serious mental health concerns.
IMO- letrozole MAY have been an option if taken as soon as you experienced a flare up, but it's doubtful it will help at this point.
yeah.. I might try letro before cycle.. If it goes away great.. or do a cycle.. if it doesnt flare great if its the same ill try letro if that doesnt work. have sergery what do youthink?
breakingfaceIf you dead set on treating gyne I would use nolva first.
Nolva first?? last I checked it doesnt reverse gyno/make it smaller.? what would taking nolvadex at thsi point do?
Anonnot if he's on deca.. nolva will upregulate the progesterone receptors and raise prolactin issues. nolva should not be used while on cycle of 19nors. stick to caber and the AI.
breakingfaceNolva does not up regulate progesterone receptors. The ONLY study that showed up regulation was dealing with cancerous tissue, which behaves erratically to begin with. The rest of the studies show down regulation of e2 and progesterone receptors using tamoxifen treatment. If you join a good steroid based forum you'll find similar information.
Anonnolva raises prolactin when using 19nors. this is a fact that you simply cannot avoid unless you are using the right ancilaries. only caber will suppress prolactin, and prolactin WILL cause e2 to increase as well as increase the cells responsiveness to it.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076003005090
don't know what forums you're getting your info from, brother, but you are incorrect.
breakingfaceThe mechanism of action for letrozole is eliminating the conversion of androgens into estrogen, thus leaving your receptors deprived of estrogen. The mechanism for nolvadex is filling the receptors with an inert form of estrogen, thus leaving the receptors deprived of estrogen.
As you can see your only hope for reversal in stopping estrogen from getting to the receptors. So why not pick the least harsh of the two.
Nolva on cycle with deca raises prolactin issues. Or all the vets would be clearly advising nolva instead of caber. Especially since good nolva is Hella cheap. 4 tabs caber is $60 with shipping. A month of nolve is 35 with shipping. Our goal here is a No titty zone.....unless that'd the goal. Lol.
Off to strip club....
Anoni'm actually a titty man.. but i prefer them bouncing off my chest, not on MY chest. lol
def no dbol if ur worried about gyno man