+ 2 Bloods IGF-1/GH Serum/Thyroid panel/Liver values and Metabolic Panel Need help with Estrogen levels
Ok i will start with my cycle. PLEASE READ FIRST
600mg GP test 400/week
300mg NPP/week
.5mg of PP's anastrozole EOD
.25mg of PP's Prami ED
2.25iu's of Serostim every morning. (I STARTED TAKING ON 9/8/13 SO IGF-1 IS NOT FROM THIS)
Ok i will start with my igf-1 levels which is 343 yes great number. I believe this is from the NPP maybe? i have heard that it can elevate your igf-1 levels. Cant wait to see my number 3-6 months down the road after taking this GH hoping to see it get to 600-800. We will see.
Next is my metabolic panel. My doctor said these level are likely to be from just starting GH and the high levels of test. I dont know about that. they are not numbers that scare me though they are only slightly elevated. i also marked my glucose so you guys can see that. Any comments welcome.
Next is GH Serum. I may have fucked this one up. I 'did 4.5iu's Sub-Q 3 hours before the test of serostim. i got this only for you guys i honestly dont care what it says because i know what i have is legit Pharma and my IGF-1 level is all i care about. Low GH and high igf-1 is what you want anyways because GH causes cancer growth bone overgrowth ECT. Anyways.
Prolactin is good thanks PP.
Ok this is what i am worried about! PLEASE READ. Ok i specifically asked for e2 levels only and somehow ended up getting total estrogens. Now i know that total Estrogens consists of 2 estrogens E1 (estrone) and E2 (estradiol). Now i want to start by saying these numbers make no sense to me at all. i know when i have high estrogen levels. i have sides like my nipples will hurt, i will get the sweats, i will lose sex drive, i will cry during sad movies ECT. Now i have a hard on all day long, i have sex with my GF everynight i see her usually more than once, i feel great, i am not emotional at all except anger, and i couldnt shed a tear if my life depended on it. so i dont get it. ALL HELP WELCOMED. i have GP letro, Kalpa aromasin, and PP and GP arimidex on hand.
Next Neutrophils look a little high. Anybody tell me why?
T3 and T4 Does this look good to you guys? my t3 uptake is a little high is this bad or good? and t4 is at the bottom of the normal range again good or bad?
FSH and LH I'm obviously shut down.
Test levels are fine not worried about them.
last is doctors notes lol she told me she has to write that on there or she could lose her job. but i left her a message this morning to see if she will prescribe me some pharmacy arimidex. so i know its doing its job.
ALL HELP WELCOME GUYS THANKS
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Update: I started 25mg of Aro last night and now after my dose today i know for a fact that i have not estrogen now i have bottomed out. I am sore as hell all over, every joint in my body aches, i have a headache and feel miserable. i will not be taking anything tomorrow or until i feel my body get back to normal and then i will be starting a dose of 6.25mg/ED and raise if needed.
My Conclusion: Estro test was somehow faulty and gave inaccurate readings.
PP - First and foremost I KNOW for a fact that your adex is good and NOT bunk so dont think i was ever saying it wasnt. Thanks for the informative info below. i knew that i also read somewhere that IM injections give higher peaks than Sub-Q. Good read thought and now i know for my next test.
I never thought you were. You know how I treat people that slander my products. lol
I couldnt find the article buy my friend heavyiron was kind enough to forward me this. Clearly states IM concentration is higher IM
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/ancillary-profiles/118333-hgh-human-gr...
RESULTS:
Serum GH maximal concentration (Cmax) and area under the time-concentration curve (AUC) were higher after i.m. than s.c. administration of 0.033 mg/kg (Cmax 35.5 and 12.0 microg/l; AUC 196.2 and 123.8). Cmax and AUC were higher in males than in females (P < 0.01) and pharmacodynamic changes were more pronounced. IGFBP-3 concentrations showed no dose dependency. In response to rhGH administration, 20 kDa GH decreased in females and remained suppressed for 14-18 h (low dose) and 30 h (high dose). In males, 20 kDa GH was undetectable at baseline and throughout the study.
CONCLUSIONS:
After rhGH administration, pharmacokinetic parameters are mainly influenced by route of administration, whereas pharmacodynamic variables and 20 kDa GH concentrations are determined mainly by gender. These differences need to be considered for therapeutic use and for detection of rhGH doping.
I am not a DR!
I'd say the IGF-1 increase is due to the HGH, it only takes a single shot 24hrs to elevate HGH.
The 4.5 iu giving you a 8.8 rise is fairly normal as shown on Pharma studies showing approx 10iu raising Serum approx 20.
The T3 uptake also is from the HGH and your T4 being at the bottom of normal would cause me to increase my T4 dose, if you are even taking any.
The AST and Bun are normally due to Liver Stress, this could also be the reason for the increase in Neurophls due to inflammation.
Everything you do to your body causes a reaction, trying to minimize the bad ones is key.
Thank you bro. I really appreciate you touching on all my areas of question. VERY helpful my friend. I will research some T4 as I am not currently taking and do not know much about it. Glad to hear that about the GH. I dont know where the liver stress is coming from though for i have not taken any orals this cycle. I started taking some Liv-52 this morning just for the hell of it. Thanks again bro!
AnonAs for your nuetrophils they are the 1st to go to battle when there is invasion to your body.
It could be 2 things.
1. Gear ur inecting was not properly Sterilizied
2. Testosterone starts erythropoesis(producing of red and white blood cells) so its elevating due to your gear use. Which is a good sign that its good gear.
U can donate blood that way ull get rid of some of the excess Nuetrophils, but thats not garantees it will lower it to levels u want.
thanks thats interesting info. i think im not gonna worry about it. my doc said not a big deal considering i just introduced hgh in my cycle.
Did dr say anything about liver levels? They are not crazy high just curios? No orals. Just from compounds?
yea she wrote a note on there you can read it. i have not taken any orals on this cycle. she said it may be due to the hgh causing my liver to make more igf-1. they are not very alarming tho. she said not to worry about it. that we will test it again soon.
Was this a Roche exam? Was it converted by ins.?
what do you mean? it says that the tests were done by labcorp. what is ins.?
the tests were taken at my endocrinologists office. these are just the results through patient portal. i will get the printed version in the mail.
http://www.roche.com/about_roche/business_fields/about-diagnostics.htm
Roche reagents are sudposidly known for giving false elevated E levels but I've yet to find any concrete evidence on this.
Ins is insurance?
I enjoyed the noted from you physician
i dont see anything about roche i can call and ask the doc tomorrow.
either way i am more and more convinced these are false levels on my estro. i know when i have high estro levels. i get weepy or my nips hurt.
it was done through insurance.
she is a really cool doc. she perscribed me pharmacy arimidex today.
What PP is saying is that most major labs(Quest,Lab Corp) use Roche testing equipment and reagents.
I just looked but cant find a thread about tren and deca picking up as estro you might want to look in to that
i have been reading threads all over the internet today about this. Plenty of incidents where labs have come back like this but no concrete proof as to why. i feel no sides to high estro at all and cannot decide what i should do. i am considering starting to take aromasin. Im gonna wait to see if anyone else has any advice though first. thanks bro
Yeah my estro was 319 when I was on tren and i was taking arimidex
AnonOn the HGH serum note, I did 10iu's of VIPS SubQ 3.5 hrs before my test and they resulted in a 5.9
so to me, a 8+ for 45% of the dosage seems pretty good to me. +1 for the bloods.
AnonWhen doing a serum test on the HGH, you need to do IM 3 1/2 before the test not Sub Q
I've got a Jcem report somewhere that supports this
No it doesn't really matter
yea i found out later that it needed to be IM and i couldnt wait any longer than the three hours because my boss was screaming at me to get to work. But considering everything i think the number is pretty good.