+ 6 Bloods Came Back a Bit Disappointing! Failed PCT?
I cannot say the levels are a result of the lab from which I bought my PCT. Unfortunately, I cannot say much at all because I did not have any bloodwork done before my cycle (yes, a noob mistake). Beyond that shitty fact, all I know is that I have been fighting with acne ever since the end of my cycle. Other than that, everything seems fine. My sex drive is ridiculous. Definitely not lacking in any way. I am constantly horny, I sleep well, I feel strong most of the time... The only shit that keeps giving me problems is the acne. I was very surprised to see these levels, I was expecting some strong levels saying I can go back on cycle here soon. I believe that plan has gone out the window for now. What do you guys think? ASSUMING my levels were average in all these areas BEFORE my cycle, could this just be the result of a failed PCT? Maybe underdosed stuff? I don't fucking know.
My last cycle:
Cycle 2:
Week 1-4 Test Prop 50mg everyday
Week 1-10 Test E 250mg 2x/wk
Week 11-13 Test Prop 50mg everyday
PCT after looking back at everything was:
BodySynthetics Clomid
100/100/50/50
BodySynthetics Nolvadex
20/20/20 EOD/20 EOD
Big D Aromasin (THROUGH cycle and continued through PCT...)
12.5 EOD the entire time once I adjusted my dose and felt good with it
(Aro through PCT was suggested to me by a few different people.)
Do any of the more experienced or knowledgeable guys have any suggestions? What do you guys think I should do? And please no "should have gotten bloodwork before" hindsight bullshit. Anything actually helpful will be majorly appreciated though. Thanks in advance.
EDIT: Btw, PCT ended over two months ago!!!
Stats: 23 years young, 170 lbs (5'10), 10% bf
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Dude, amazing. His situation sounds EXACTLY like mine. Thank you, bro!
You can do that protocol, or maybe smaller dosages, but drink a lot of water through the PCT. His labs were on the high side of renal failure.
Ace VenturaYou are a young buck, but +1 for getting blood drawn, and your willingness to try to fix the issue.
Thanks, man.
Before I can provide any suggestions it would be great if you could do two things:
Can you post some better stats, please?
What was your first cycle?
Thank you
23, 170, 10%.
First cycle:
Test E 500 for 10 weeks,
Arimidex 0.25 every other day through cycle...
Clomid/Nolva PCT:
Clo: 100/100/50/50
Nol: 40/40/20/20
Repeat PCT with Clomid and Nolva as above noted, which is standard protocol.
Obtain labwork at the end of the second week of PCT.
From there, we can determine if you need further time to stay off AAS before next cycle or start TRT.
Have you ever had any testicular trauma or STD's?
Did you wait long enough between cycle one and cycle two?
Thank you, sir
I once wrecked a bike when I was like 11 and pissed blood... That was a rough time... But I didn't go to the doctor or anything about it. All seemed fine after like a day. Other than that, nothing I recall. No STD's. I waited the proper "time" between cycles, but I ran the same PCT so I prob was still tanked from the cycle even so. :/ Should have gotten bloods way back then, but I didn't. You think I should use the Nolva even though my e2 is toward the lower end of normal?
Also, do this....space out, your clomid throughout the day in divided doses for the whole length of PCT. I know your E2 is 17, but taking Nolva will help stimulate your FSH, and some LH, as well. It won't knock out your estrogen, you will still have the same amount of estrogen, it may even increase on your two week labs, but not a lot. Take your Nolva at night before you go to bed. You can adminster this in divided doses, too, when you are taking the 40mg.
Yes, I do because it is part of PCT. Right now, all I can think is either you got bad PCT drugs, you haven't fully recovered from the time being off, or you were low T to start off with....The bike accident could have some general liability to this situation, but I will keep it on the back burner for now. Get started and let's see where we can get you up to....bro....stay positive......and keep on lifting!!
Alright, bro. Took some Clomid this morning. I will take some Nolvadex as well and get bloods done in a couple more weeks and see where I am there. I appreciate your help, man.
And will divide am/pm while taking the 100 and 40.
Started Clomid this morning... From a top source. Going to run it normal. 100/100/50/50... No Nolvadex nor Aromasin nor HCG for now. I will get bloods in a month and see if I am good.
Okay, this is just me, but I never compromise. Always pharma-grade PCT. Always.
I would start my pct over. U have waited long enough and those levels are horrible. I don't think thy hcg is warranted, and it is not the direction I would travel. I would do clomid and tomoxifen
100, 100, 50, 50
40, 40, 20, 20
Then take another set of bloods. You will be fine either way tho brother. Just see how that goes for you.
+1 for bloods btw
Agreed
Purity solutions liquid clomid should get you back going....my LH shot up to 17 at 50mg/day and test was 984. Oh and it cheap with fast shipping. Better luck next time..bloodwork before during and after!
Dude that right there is why we get bloods. Thumbs up on being smart.
I wish I actually knew how to rectify the situation so I could help you out...
I'll send this link to a smart guy on here and see if he has any info to give you.
Good luck man.
Thanks, brother. I am sure I will be fine. Prob just ran some bunk Clomid. Should have gotten bloods done sooner. Ah, well. Lesson learned.
Best believe I will be getting bloods pre, mid, and post-cycle from here on out.
I ran 2 cycles with no PCT and I got bloods after a looonnnggg time of being off and I had good readings. I'm young though and I feel like I have that part on my side. Hopefully you just need some recovery time! I sent him a message. Smartest guy I've met on here by far idc who has more karma or whatever, this guys i smart. He'll get you going!
Appreciate it big time, bro. And, yeah. I am young, too. I just wish I had gotten my bloods done before running anything. For all I know, I could be low naturally. :S But I am def gonna run some shit to get everything in order and do some more tests before deciding on anything else as far as cycling is concerned.
Yeah I got my pre bloods for my cycle posted on my page. Looked good. I'm gonna get bloods pretty much every three weeks just for the hell of it. I had 4 of my 5 wisdom teeth removed 2 days ago, so as soon as I fully recover I'm starting my next cycle! I'm excited as fuuaaarrrrkkkkk!
When I had my wisdoms pulled I just had 3 weight gainer shakes a day. Couldn't eat anything. Had to change out the chocolate soaked gauze after each shake.
I'm just writing it off as a small loss for a bigger gain. No weights no big meals. I won't lose much/haven't lost much. And I'm gonna hit it so hard as soon as I heal. Trying to make sure that happens ASAP!
Hell yeah, bro! Enjoy that shit. I will be back there one of these months.
Yeah I'm gonna bulk hard as fuck!!! Then run a test/tren cycle and get shreaddddeeeddd!
Do it big, bro! My next run, whenever it is, is still gonna be test only for the third time.
Tren is 5-10 years away for me. Haha.
Makes sense about the Nolva and Aro, bro. And def not the same Clomid as before. Haha. I got some from one of the top sources here now and am sure it is good to go. Got some HCG on the way, so I am gonna do what other dude said and hit some of that up and run the Clomid again.
damn bro I wish I had more experience to help you out. at least your are on top of it and are getting blood tests. + 1 from me for having a blood test and asking tough questions. seems like underdosed gear or bunk gear.
Thanks, bro. Yeah, pretty highly possible bunk PCT is the culprit. :/ I got bloods done mid-cycle and my test was 4000, so the gear itself was def legit. Ha. But my LH and FSH were <0.2 at that time as well. I posted them when I had them done.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/6-weeks-and-5-days-into-bio-gen-test-and-big-....
Do you guys think I should do another PCT run? I have a significant amount of both Nolvadex and Clomid (Definitely well over a full PCT's worth of each, as I had it set aside for my next cycle)... And a tiny bit of Aromasin left over if it were necessary. Or maybe just run some more Clomid alone? :/ Idk, bros. What would you do?
^^^ Yeah, what he said. I was recommended the lower Nolva + Aro PCT by some much more highly experienced users. And, yes. My estrogen is in check but all my other shit is fucking tanked.
Wow. How long has it been since you stopped taking the clomid?
Bro, my PCT ended in July. I have been off for a very significant amount of time now. I apologize, I should have included that information in the original post.
It seems like you definitely have not recovered. Your LH and FSH are in the tank. I think, if you want to try to reboot, get some HCG and run it 500iu twice a week for one week while taking a different sources clomid, 100mg a day for two weeks and end it at 50mgs a day for the last two weeks. I would get bloods mid PCT to see if your testes are responding to the higher levels of LH and FSH. If not, then maybe TRT is the next step. I experienced something very similar, good luck.
Agreed.... but if you choose to use the hCG, give yourself about four or five days, maybe a week before you start the clomid and nolva. It would be better to use clomid and nolva, since both LH and FSH is low.
Damn, bro. I would hate to think I need TRT already. :( I have only ran two cycles, both of which were only test... Exactly as most would suggest them to be ran, including full PCT and everything. However, I did use the same source for both PCT's. I stocked up on the first purchase. :( Of course, I did not get bloods done before my first so for all I know I could have been a low-test kind of dude naturally anyway. Fuck. Hell, at least I already have some HCG on the way, so once it gets here I will hit that up along with the Clomid. Thanks for your input, brother. You think just 2 injections @ 500iu will be all I need?
HCG will mimic the signals sent by your pituitary to stimulate testosterone production in your testes. The thing is, you're not producing those signals naturally (based on you LH and FSH). Clomid stimulates LH and FSH production in your pituitary and the goal is that as that signal/hormone reaches your testes you will produce test and after you stop taking the clomid your body will begin produce its own LH and FSH. HCG is only going to get you so far, so yeah, I think one week is enough while the clomid is building up in your system. Make sure to get bloods done midway. This is what they should look like.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/purchase-peptides-pct-labs.
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The link isn't going to my pic. Go through my pic and you'll see my PCT labs.
Went through and checked it, bro. Appreciate it. So the test should still be pretty low during PCT but the LH/FSH should be high?
"Purchase Peptides PCT Labs" was the right pic, right?
Yeah. That's right. LH and FSH should be super high. Good luck bud.
To be honest bro, I was a firm believer of P and BS. I've spent a lot of money there. His original gear was great but it seemed that when he switched vials, the quality of his products diminished. A lot of the guys I was supplying had the same opinion after the change also.
I'm not sure if this is the cause or not but it just seemed like his quality really suffered towards the end there.
Why didn't you run nolva 40/40/20/20 and it looks like the last two weeks of it you took it every other day? As far as i know its everyday for pct. Idk when you got your stuff from body synthetics they use to be good, but the past year they kinda fell off when they got banned from here. A lot of guys never got packs and some gear was great and others shitty. But a long time ago his products were amazing. It could be bad pct gear from him. I have no doubt big d gear is 100% spot on. And maybe you didn't run enough nolva. Just a guess. Guys with more experience can probably help you a lot more. But you feel good and have a sex drive so that's good what's your age. There are some natural test boosters that can probably get your test higher and might help with the acne once things balance back out