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What’s up guys, posting my recent labs. Running 250mg test cyp and 250mg deca and wanted to share where things are sitting. Pics are posted above.
Hormones are doing exactly what you’d expect on this protocol. Estrogen is a little elevated but not panicking over it. SHBG got crushed, prolactin is sitting in a good spot, and progesterone came back essentially undetectable which is normal on Deca.
The cardiovascular panel is where I need to do some work. HDL got wrecked which is pretty standard for nandrolone but still not something I’m gonna ignore. Cholesterol ratios are telling the same story. Liver is holding up well though and inflammation markers look decent. Everything else is pretty clean.
Already ordered some things i need to start addressing it.
citrus bergamot, omega 3 fish oil, berberine, zinc glycinate and vitamin D3 with K2.

Retesting in 4 weeks and will post the update. Anyone dealt with HDL tanking on Deca? What worked for you? Drop it below.

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williamstroysjr's picture

i know a lot of people are skeptical about rythm health, but for some like me its literally my only option. do you test at the same time each month? or does it really matter that much? and thanks for vouching for biopharma im on my 2nd order and was skeptical at first from so of the comments, but so far they have been the best ive delt with.

motorsrule55's picture

This was my first month using rhythm, i think next month I’ll just order a panel from Marek and head to quest to pull labs. I would def test each month though if you can afford it. Biopharma is great, there was one bad test but that can happen. It’s how they handle after it happens that matter

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Storm Ayden's picture

Brother, going to give you a different kind of reply than most guys are getting on these blood threads because honestly your panel is in good shape and I don't want you to overcorrect. A couple of guys in the thread are pointing at things to "fix" that don't really need fixing. Let me sort signal from noise.
What you actually have here:
Total cholesterol 150, LDL 104, ApoB 96 these are better than most non-cycling guys. Population median ApoB is around 100. You're on 250 test + 250 deca + just-started var and your atherogenic markers are basically normal. That's an unusually responsive lipid profile, lucky genetics, or both.
HDL tanked yes, but this is expected and not the emergency some guys make it out to be when the rest of the panel is this clean. HDL is a marker, ApoB is the driver. Your ApoB is fine.
Liver clean ✓
Inflammation decent ✓
E2 mildly elevated but you have zero symptoms ✓
Prolactin in range on deca ✓ this is actually the dangerous one with nandrolone, glad to see it controlled
Progesterone undetectable ✓ normal on deca, exactly as expected
The genuinely interesting thing in your update the lump under your left nipple from prior cycles that "seems to have dissipated." That's actually worth a word. Gyno tissue once formed is usually permanent without surgery or a SERM. If it's genuinely getting smaller on this protocol, possibilities are:
It wasn't true glandular gyno, it was fibrous tissue or fat that's leaning out
You're getting some recompositioning that's making it less prominent
Deca + test at this ratio (1:1) actually has interesting effects on local breast tissue there's some evidence that managed E2 + low prolactin + androgen dominance can shrink fibrotic gyno in some guys, though "make it disappear" is rare
If it genuinely keeps shrinking, that's a nice unexpected win. If you start it growing or feel tenderness, that's the moment to act raloxifene 60mg/day for 8 weeks is the standard answer and works well on early/responsive gyno tissue. Don't run nolva for this, raloxifene is better for breast tissue specifically and doesn't tank IGF-1.
What press1 flagged on the creatinine is a real loose end. No eGFR reported is sloppy from the lab, not just an inconvenience. Your guess is probably right creatine supplementation, heavy training, sauna, slight dehydration. But you actually want to know. Two things to do:
Next test, make sure eGFR is reported (and ideally calculated with the CKD-EPI 2021 equation, not the older MDRD)
If eGFR comes back flagged, get cystatin C as a follow-up it's not muscle-mass-dependent like creatinine, so it gives you the real kidney picture for someone who lifts. A lot of bodybuilders look like they have CKD on creatinine-based eGFR and have perfect cystatin C eGFR. That's the test that settles it.
On the supplement stack you ordered:
Keep:
Citrus bergamot ✓ real lipid data, especially on cycle
Omega-3 fish oil ✓ but dose matters. 1g/day does basically nothing. You want 2-3g EPA+DHA combined daily to actually move trigs and have anti-inflammatory effect. Read the back of the bottle, not the front most "1000mg fish oil" capsules only have 300mg actual EPA+DHA.
D3+K2 ✓ fine, especially if your D is low (which most guys' is). 5000 IU D3 + 100mcg K2-MK7 is the standard stack.
Zinc glycinate ✓ supports testosterone production and helps with aromatase. 25-30mg/day is plenty, more isn't better and long-term high-dose zinc tanks copper.
Reconsider:
Berberine honestly, you don't need this. Berberine is for insulin resistance / elevated glucose / metabolic syndrome. Your glucose and metabolic markers are fine. Berberine also has GI side effects, hits the liver mildly, and inhibits some CYP enzymes which can affect how you process other things. Save the money and the liver bandwidth. If you ever pick up retatrutide or a GLP-1 and want metabolic support, then revisit it.
Worth adding:
CoQ10 bgonz mentioned it, he's right. 100-200mg/day. Especially useful if you ever end up on a statin (probably not needed for you given your lipids).
TUDCA you didn't mention it but you just started anavar. 250mg/day while running orals is the single most evidence-backed liver protectant. Cheap insurance. Drop it when you drop the var.
On the var specifically:
Heads up you started var about a week before testing, so your retest in 4 weeks will be your 5-week-on-var snapshot. Expect HDL to drop further (maybe to 25-30), LDL to bump 15-25% (so probably 120-130s), and ApoB to follow (probably 110-120s). That's the var doing var things. Don't panic when you see it — that's the expected oral curve, not a sign your cycle is hurting you uniquely. The question for retest is whether HDL is catastrophically down (like sub-20) or whether it's settling in the 25-30 range, which is normal for var users.
On the E2 at 80s:
Bgonz's "wait until you have symptoms" framing is correct for your situation specifically because you actually have zero symptoms. The test:E2 ratio thing he mentioned (10:1 to 30:1) is a useful heuristic but it gets weird when your test is reported as ">1500" — you can't calculate a real ratio off a censored number. For next test, push for a quantitative total T number, not censored. Most labs can dilute the sample and re-run if the doctor requests it; otherwise switch to a panel that doesn't cap at 1500. Superpower (which bgonz mentioned) and some others do this.
Things to actually do for retest in 4 weeks:
Get a more comprehensive panel this time bgonz's Superpower suggestion isn't bad, or any panel that includes:
Quantitative total T (no >1500 cap)
Free T (measured, not just calculated)
eGFR + ideally cystatin C for kidney
hs-CRP specifically (not just CRP)
Hematocrit + hemoglobin trend (deca + test can polycythemia you, watch this)
GGT alongside ALT/AST for full liver picture
Fasting insulin to pair with glucose for HOMA-IR
Get BP at home before retest daily for 2 weeks, average it. Cheap cuff, $30. Nobody on your thread asked about BP and it's the most underrated marker for guys on cycle. Deca + test can creep BP up without symptoms.
Don't fast 12+ hours and don't do test after no sleep. Standard 8-10 hour fast, well-rested, morning draw, no training the day before. Gives you a real number, not a stress-skewed one.
Track the nipple lump. If it grows or gets tender, that's a different conversation (raloxifene). If it keeps shrinking, just note it for your own records.
The honest bottom line:
You're running a relatively moderate cycle (250/250 is conservative for a blast), your body is responding well, your lipids are unusually good for someone on cycle, your prolactin is controlled on deca (which is the actually-dangerous risk with nandrolone), and you have no symptoms. The supplements you ordered are mostly fine, just drop the berberine, add TUDCA while on var, dose the fish oil correctly.
Real risks to watch on your specific protocol:
Hematocrit creep (deca + test will push it up if you go above 52-53%, donate blood)
BP creep (silent, common, easy to fix if caught)
Prolactin can swing on deca recheck every panel, don't get complacent because this one was good
HDL recovery post-cycle (will take 2-4 months after stopping var/deca)
You're doing this about as right as a guy in your spot can. Don't let the HDL number psych you out it's the expected response, not a sign something's broken.

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press1's picture

Can't say I like that Health App very much - not easy to determine where your actual levels are in relation to the parameters they should be in. Any reason for the high Creatinine level mate - did they not state your eGFR anywhere?

motorsrule55's picture

I agree this test left a lot to be desired and I’ll do a more comprehensive one next time. They got me on the advertising. I figured it was slightly elevated from the creatine, heavy lifting, and sauna use causing me to hold less water. I’ll keep an eye on it for next test and make sure i do one that has eGFR as well. Thank you for the heads up!

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Milfpounder's picture

Ive had my e2 up in the 80s before too. I honestly had no symptoms and no noticeable problems. No bitch tits or water retention.

Was gonna ask if you are running any orals with those hdl numbers? Or is that the deca only causing that? Just reupped a bunch of the same sups you mentioned for an upcoming tbol run.

Also thanks for the testing man. This source was catching some heat recently for under-dosed tren, so glad to see some positives.

motorsrule55's picture

Good callout, i almost forgot i started anavar 25mg about a week before this test. Not sure if that’s long enough to affect the numbers at all but worth calling out.

I have no symptoms at all. Waking up feeling 12 again rock hard. Surprisingly i had a small lump under my left nipple from prior blasts at younger ages, and it seems to have dissipated. Completely baffled on that part lol

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Aggieguy's picture

If you are taking a 19Nor like Deca or Tren, it can give false positives on estrogen. It is important to order an unltrasensitive LC/MS Test while on those to get accurate results.

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motorsrule55's picture

Really appreciate the heads up, i will get a more detailed reading before hopping on AI

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bgonz174's picture

Love what I'm seeing, everything looks clean. Estrogen a tad bit high, and HDL a little too low. We can fix that HDL issue with more cardio and fish oil, and I honestly feel like that estrogen would be fine if you don't have side effects. We just need a better idea of where your total T sits so we can get a Test/Estrogen ratio, if it falls anywhere between 10:1 and 30:1 it's decent. I feel like that 20:1 is the sweet spot. Add in a Vitamin D3+K2 supplement ASAP, in 8 weeks you'll get that into optimal range. Your lipids actually look sweet man, 150 total, ApoB at 96, LDL at 104. Can we get these lower? Of course, but for right now, those lipids are better than some people not even running gear lol. Throw a triple strength omega-3 fish oil from MAV Nutrion, grab that thang on Amazon Prime my king. For additional supps to throw at this bloodwork, not very necessary, but it wouldn't hurt, Citrus Bergamot, Berberbine, RYR, and CoQ10.

Word of advice, rythm is decent, its convenient, you can do it at home, 80$ with a promo, painless, blah blah blah. Try out superpower for $180, you'll get 100+ biomarkers and get a full scope on your health plus a better total T number that isn't just >1500.

Love to see it brotha, lets ascend safely!

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