It say clearly is for : "Researchers and practitioners from various disciplines and subdisciplines within chemistry, biochemistry" Do you see anywhere pharmacology
What is wrong with you? Let me help you out, and this negates your whole statement
Pharmacology is the branch of medicine and biology concerned with the study of drug action,[1] where a drug can be broadly defined as any man-made, natural, or endogenous (within the body) molecule which exerts a BIOCHEMICAL and/or physiological effect on the cell, tissue, organ, or organism
MS is used for identification ( to know what is inside ) but not for how much. We use HPLC to see HOW MUCH is inside. This is why HPLC is accepted.
You can use MS same way like HPLC but then machine should run in another mode using standards.
I am not a expert I just make a post of good sense. I will have a professional answer from professor to you soon. We are talking about pharmaceutical industry. The bible of the pharmaceutical industry is PHARMACOPEEIA. In pharmacopeeia methods for testing drugs are only with HPLC.
Calm down man. Bad batches come and go, it happens. You were all over the news threads saying there is no such thing as a vermoje pharmacy when talking about recent events. I'm sure stealth labs isn't a pharmaceutical company either. We all know you're a stand up guy and like to stand behind your products (and there is nothing wrong with that) but now you're saying everything that's been getting tested for years has been done incorrectly. Why haven't you mentioned that to this community before if you're so concerned? You're a good guy with excellent products and knowledge but trying to discredit someone because you came out on the bottom with one of the tests is wrong. The next batch you get might be 95% or higher when tested. If that's the case are you gonna say that was incorrectly done also? Take a deep breath and work together with Angus and the community, it will look a lot better on everyone's end. Be safe and stay healthy
I know I could avoid any shit if I would say "was a bad batch " but I know that wasnt. So I am not a idiot to accept to be trashed by a freshman student who make money for beer on internet by pseudotesting
Never said you're an idiot or bashed you in any way. All I said was shit happens once in a while. I'm not getting between the both of you, I consider you both very knowledgeable. No disrespect meant at all. The only thing that's getting to me is the fact that you say the method Angus uses to test is wrong. If you've known that for quite some time you should have spoken up and started a FRIENDLY debate a long time ago not now when something is directly reflecting on you. You're very active (for a source) speaking out in forums, news, etc, which is a good thing. It just looks bad that after all the tests posted over the years that NOW you have a problem with the method. Good luck to both of you, hope everything works out for you guys. Be safe brother
I don't test anything, and you know that because I have told you several times, the guy with the PhD does the testing at the University. You continue to try to bash me but you have a long road ahead of you because I am an open book and hide nothing. The only argument that I have not rebutted is the one you have about HPLC being the pharmacology standard. I agree with you on that, it seems to be the case; however, there is a reason the dr chooses to run the samples with the Q-TOF and when he get is back from the long holiday weekend I will ask him. But you should follow my example and not attack something to which you don't fully understand.
Lets prove you are good. I am ready to go on any road no matter how long when I know I am right
Give your doctor contact to the professor you have already email and let me chat about methods. I will post results and conversations.
and everyone can see the professor conclusion about your doctor.
If your doctor have nothing to hide put him in contact with my professor. I wait for a week and you just hide. If you have open agenda dont hide lets put everyhing in public
Nobody with PhD do some stupid analyses like you posted lets be serious. You have a freshman student with access to a MS.
Nobody with PhD do some stupid analyses like you posted lets be serious. You have a freshman student with access to a MS.
WRONG
If your doctor have nothing to hide put him in contact with my professor. I wait for a week and you just hide.
Yeah I'm hiding. In plain site.
I'm done going back and forth with you. You'll just answer with something else that will waste my time. This is pointless. I refuse to play your games. I have stated that I will get something from the dr when he gets back from holiday break. Until such time I'm done responding to you.
I'm done going back and forth with you. You'll just answer with something else that will waste my time. This >
is pointless. I refuse to play your games. I have stated that I will get something from the dr when he gets >back from holiday break. Until such time I'm done responding to you.
When you stated this ? I see now. When your doctor is coming from holiday break ? We have your word he will contact my professor ? I can wait for sure but is first time I saw this. Maybe you posted somewhere and I read fast. Just confirm when your doctor will contact my professor please
The mass spec testing is able to isolate the compound, and verify the purity.
If the sample has a purity of 50%, and a concentration of 200 mg/ ml the final product would be dosed correctly at 100mg/ml
I sent those informations to the professor and I will get back to you with extensive informations
I only can make some comments from my level of a layman on some things here
In the Angus post on your link on eroids.com
Full Spectrum Testing: 10 people in a room, 2 blondes, 8 brunettes = 80% brunettes
CORECT. This is MS. It makes identification only who is brunettes and who is blonde. Can not tell what is the weight of each person. We look for the weight for each person right ( concentration ) Exactly what I have told. MS is used to identify what is inside and not how much.
HPLC Column testing: 10 People in a room, 2 blondes, 8 brunettes. 2 blondes are put in a different > >room and now = 100% brunettes.
This is a childish and wrong interpretation not sure if made to confuse people or because who wrote has no experience .
Everyone can read there with attention: Who Uses MS? Please read carefully you will see that MS is for those who work with unknown samples for identification. I think this proves again I am right. MS is used for criminologists who doesnt care what is the purity of a cocaine but they want to know if cocaine is present so they can put a ass in jail. Also is use by scientist who make research. I don't see anywhere to say that MS is used for QUALITY TESTING IN PHARMACOLOGY . It say clearly is for : "Researchers and practitioners from various disciplines and subdisciplines within chemistry, biochemistry" Do you see anywhere pharmacology ? Do you see that anywhere mention that MS should be used for testing the quality of drugs ?
First I don't bash the source, I am sure your raw much better and not 84% purity.
So your testosterone should be on label 100 mg right ? He detected 100 mg concentration right in the final product ? Then what is 84% purity ? Is either 100 mg or either 84% purity ? If he want to say he detected the purity of the raw you used then this is WRONG. No method in the world can detect purity of raw used by testing final product.
if you say there are 100 mg inside ( and on label was 100 mg ) then is 100 % purity.
If you say is 84% purity then are 84 mg inside.
If you say the raw was 84% and the UGL put 16% more to get 100 mg per ml then you the tester is WRONG. If you put extra raw to cover the low concentration of the raw then he can not detect the real concentration of the raw. He can only detect the specific impurities for this raw. For doing this he need a totally different method and he should show exactly which specific impurities has the final product. So in such a situation conclusions should be : { 100 mg per ml as per label so 100% purity plus following impurities ..(testosterone acetate, testosterone isobutyrate etc ...each one how many mg ) But such analyses can not be done in the way Angus is doing analyses.
( I am NOT attacking SOURCE or product. I just say TESTING conclusion lacks any logic )
Come with arguments please. More arguments you give we can clear up much faster. I am not a expert but I pass your arguments to a professor.
You have email of a professor doctor. Please discuss with him if you have guts. He will evaluate you in minutes. He already made a evaluation I told you privately what he told about you.
Everyone can read there with attention: Who Uses MS? Please read carefully you will see that MS is for those who work with unknown samples for identification. I think this proves again I am right. MS is used for criminologists who doesnt care what is the purity of a cocaine but they want to know if cocaine is present so they can put a ass in jail. Also is use by scientist who make research. I don't see anywhere to say that MS is used for QUALITY TESTING IN PHARMACOLOGY . It say clearly is for : "Researchers and practitioners from various disciplines and subdisciplines within chemistry, biochemistry" Do you see anywhere pharmacology ? Do you see that anywhere mention that MS should be used for testing the quality of drugs ?
It's a broad spectrum analysis that was designed to benefit the end user. They want to know everything that they are putting in their bodies, therefore we look at the bigger picture.
It say clearly is for : "Researchers and practitioners from various disciplines and subdisciplines within chemistry, biochemistry" Do you see anywhere pharmacology
What is wrong with you? Let me help you out, and this negates your whole statement
Pharmacology is the branch of medicine and biology concerned with the study of drug action,[1] where a drug can be broadly defined as any man-made, natural, or endogenous (within the body) molecule which exerts a BIOCHEMICAL and/or physiological effect on the cell, tissue, organ, or organism
MS is used for identification ( to know what is inside ) but not for how much. We use HPLC to see HOW MUCH is inside. This is why HPLC is accepted.
You can use MS same way like HPLC but then machine should run in another mode using standards.
Wouldn't that mean that bottles that say 100mg/ml are labeled wrong? Or are you saying that SRC's take the ester into consideration when filling vials?
Technically the majority of even pharm grade meds are mislabeled. FDA standards say it must be within 20% of what's listed. So for something that's 100mg/ml 80 is still good and so is 120. That's why generics suck sometimes.
The only steroids that contain the exact mg are no ester. Each ester has its own specific weight that changes the amount of hormone you are getting. I think somebody wrote a forum topic on ester weights and how many mg you're actually injecting
Don't you worry about Angus...He's busy in the back room right now and has left me to explain everything.
These are the new Obamacare mass spec results... They're provided free...no member had to pay for them.
angusWhat is wrong with you? Let me help you out, and this negates your whole statement
Pharmacology is the branch of medicine and biology concerned with the study of drug action,[1] where a drug can be broadly defined as any man-made, natural, or endogenous (within the body) molecule which exerts a BIOCHEMICAL and/or physiological effect on the cell, tissue, organ, or organism
Please come with arguments and explanations for everything I have writen. Dont paste here a text from wiki. We are talking about TESTING THE QUALITY OF THE DRUGS IN PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY. The bible for PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY is Pharmacopeeia. According to Pharmacopeeia the accepted methods for testing drugs quality are MOA based on HPLC. Here are some scans from Pharmacopeeia
http://imageshack.com/a/img829/8063/addv.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img855/3277/nzk1r.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img840/2917/9z0m.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9180/3vo9o.jpg
MS is used for identification ( to know what is inside ) but not for how much. We use HPLC to see HOW MUCH is inside. This is why HPLC is accepted.
You can use MS same way like HPLC but then machine should run in another mode using standards.
I am not a expert I just make a post of good sense. I will have a professional answer from professor to you soon. We are talking about pharmaceutical industry. The bible of the pharmaceutical industry is PHARMACOPEEIA. In pharmacopeeia methods for testing drugs are only with HPLC.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/methods-of-testing-steroids-internationally-a...
You are not using MS correctly this is the first problem.
angusNor am I an expert, but I sure as hell talk to one and get my facts straight before I try to discredit someone.
If you are not an expert dont test people stuff.
Calm down man. Bad batches come and go, it happens. You were all over the news threads saying there is no such thing as a vermoje pharmacy when talking about recent events. I'm sure stealth labs isn't a pharmaceutical company either. We all know you're a stand up guy and like to stand behind your products (and there is nothing wrong with that) but now you're saying everything that's been getting tested for years has been done incorrectly. Why haven't you mentioned that to this community before if you're so concerned? You're a good guy with excellent products and knowledge but trying to discredit someone because you came out on the bottom with one of the tests is wrong. The next batch you get might be 95% or higher when tested. If that's the case are you gonna say that was incorrectly done also? Take a deep breath and work together with Angus and the community, it will look a lot better on everyone's end. Be safe and stay healthy
AnonIs this the lab that the gear comes in satchets(bags)?
If so, Ashop are these bags made with PVC?
I'm pretty sure that ashop invented the sachet for gear delivery.
AnonPVC is toxic. It's why I ask. The plastic would seep into the oil. Hopefully he's using PVC free bags???
I know I could avoid any shit if I would say "was a bad batch " but I know that wasnt. So I am not a idiot to accept to be trashed by a freshman student who make money for beer on internet by pseudotesting
Never said you're an idiot or bashed you in any way. All I said was shit happens once in a while. I'm not getting between the both of you, I consider you both very knowledgeable. No disrespect meant at all. The only thing that's getting to me is the fact that you say the method Angus uses to test is wrong. If you've known that for quite some time you should have spoken up and started a FRIENDLY debate a long time ago not now when something is directly reflecting on you. You're very active (for a source) speaking out in forums, news, etc, which is a good thing. It just looks bad that after all the tests posted over the years that NOW you have a problem with the method. Good luck to both of you, hope everything works out for you guys. Be safe brother
angusI don't test anything, and you know that because I have told you several times, the guy with the PhD does the testing at the University. You continue to try to bash me but you have a long road ahead of you because I am an open book and hide nothing. The only argument that I have not rebutted is the one you have about HPLC being the pharmacology standard. I agree with you on that, it seems to be the case; however, there is a reason the dr chooses to run the samples with the Q-TOF and when he get is back from the long holiday weekend I will ask him. But you should follow my example and not attack something to which you don't fully understand.
Lets prove you are good. I am ready to go on any road no matter how long when I know I am right
Give your doctor contact to the professor you have already email and let me chat about methods. I will post results and conversations.
Until now the conversation between your doctor and professor is here
http://www.eroids.com/pics/stealth-trenbolone-acetate-hplc-tests-everyon...
and everyone can see the professor conclusion about your doctor.
If your doctor have nothing to hide put him in contact with my professor. I wait for a week and you just hide. If you have open agenda dont hide lets put everyhing in public
Nobody with PhD do some stupid analyses like you posted lets be serious. You have a freshman student with access to a MS.
angusWRONG
Yeah I'm hiding. In plain site.
I'm done going back and forth with you. You'll just answer with something else that will waste my time. This is pointless. I refuse to play your games. I have stated that I will get something from the dr when he gets back from holiday break. Until such time I'm done responding to you.
When you stated this ? I see now. When your doctor is coming from holiday break ? We have your word he will contact my professor ? I can wait for sure but is first time I saw this. Maybe you posted somewhere and I read fast. Just confirm when your doctor will contact my professor please
angusI have some info written by the doctor a while ago that you will find useful. I will post it here in a minute.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/steriod-purity-assesment-by-electrospray-ioni...
http://www.eroids.com/pics/estimation-of-steroids-concentration-by-mass-...
The mass spec testing is able to isolate the compound, and verify the purity.
If the sample has a purity of 50%, and a concentration of 200 mg/ ml the final product would be dosed correctly at 100mg/ml
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/mass-spec-explainedslei...
I sent those informations to the professor and I will get back to you with extensive informations
I only can make some comments from my level of a layman on some things here
CORECT. This is MS. It makes identification only who is brunettes and who is blonde. Can not tell what is the weight of each person. We look for the weight for each person right ( concentration ) Exactly what I have told. MS is used to identify what is inside and not how much.
This is a childish and wrong interpretation not sure if made to confuse people or because who wrote has no experience .
http://www.waters.com/waters/en_US/MS---Mass-Spectrometry/nav.htm?locale...
Everyone can read there with attention: Who Uses MS? Please read carefully you will see that MS is for those who work with unknown samples for identification. I think this proves again I am right. MS is used for criminologists who doesnt care what is the purity of a cocaine but they want to know if cocaine is present so they can put a ass in jail. Also is use by scientist who make research. I don't see anywhere to say that MS is used for QUALITY TESTING IN PHARMACOLOGY . It say clearly is for : "Researchers and practitioners from various disciplines and subdisciplines within chemistry, biochemistry" Do you see anywhere pharmacology ? Do you see that anywhere mention that MS should be used for testing the quality of drugs ?
First I don't bash the source, I am sure your raw much better and not 84% purity.
So your testosterone should be on label 100 mg right ? He detected 100 mg concentration right in the final product ? Then what is 84% purity ? Is either 100 mg or either 84% purity ? If he want to say he detected the purity of the raw you used then this is WRONG. No method in the world can detect purity of raw used by testing final product.
( I am NOT attacking SOURCE or product. I just say TESTING conclusion lacks any logic )
flockaflame02Shut up nigga
Your crazy man
I wish I could neg you for this.
zschlitz1I agree lol. Shut up nigga. May be childish tobsau but ashop is trying to hard. Making himself look more guilty
Man, really? Smh. What contribution do u have to add to this conversation? Besides elementary school BS? Read and you might just learn something.
That's all you have to offer the conversation? And your supposedly 29 years old with a Justin Bieber Avi, lol
that is uncalled for. smfh
I have not called anyone names or offended anyone. We are talking here based on arguments. This is not nice
angusYou have no clue what you are talking about.
Come with arguments please. More arguments you give we can clear up much faster. I am not a expert but I pass your arguments to a professor.
You have email of a professor doctor. Please discuss with him if you have guts. He will evaluate you in minutes. He already made a evaluation I told you privately what he told about you.
Don't worry about it A... As it says in the lab report "it's about right"..... and I love my juice about right.... 84 rounds up to 100... no?
Did you went to a witch or to a analyst ? A analyst should give you precise answers not that
"if you say there are 100 mg inside ( and on label was 100 mg ) then is 100 % purity.
If you say is 84% purity then are 84 mg inside."
I was curious about this aspect also. Doesn't the carrier oil lower the potency as well? So even 100mg is not really 100mg depending on the ester?
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/mass-spec-explainedslei...
It's kinda confusing but take a look.
Everyone can read there with attention: Who Uses MS? Please read carefully you will see that MS is for those who work with unknown samples for identification. I think this proves again I am right. MS is used for criminologists who doesnt care what is the purity of a cocaine but they want to know if cocaine is present so they can put a ass in jail. Also is use by scientist who make research. I don't see anywhere to say that MS is used for QUALITY TESTING IN PHARMACOLOGY . It say clearly is for : "Researchers and practitioners from various disciplines and subdisciplines within chemistry, biochemistry" Do you see anywhere pharmacology ? Do you see that anywhere mention that MS should be used for testing the quality of drugs ?
angusIt's a broad spectrum analysis that was designed to benefit the end user. They want to know everything that they are putting in their bodies, therefore we look at the bigger picture.
What is wrong with you? Let me help you out, and this negates your whole statement
Pharmacology is the branch of medicine and biology concerned with the study of drug action,[1] where a drug can be broadly defined as any man-made, natural, or endogenous (within the body) molecule which exerts a BIOCHEMICAL and/or physiological effect on the cell, tissue, organ, or organism
Please come with arguments and explanations for everything I have writen. Dont paste here a text from wiki. We are talking about TESTING THE QUALITY OF THE DRUGS IN PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY. The bible for PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY is Pharmacopeeia. According to Pharmacopeeia the accepted methods for testing drugs quality are MOA based on HPLC. Here are some scans from Pharmacopeeia
http://imageshack.com/a/img829/8063/addv.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img855/3277/nzk1r.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img840/2917/9z0m.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9180/3vo9o.jpg
MS is used for identification ( to know what is inside ) but not for how much. We use HPLC to see HOW MUCH is inside. This is why HPLC is accepted.
You can use MS same way like HPLC but then machine should run in another mode using standards.
When you do a analyse you check if what is inside is conform with the label.
If on label you have a ester of propionate you look inside for that ester. It should be exact what is on the label.
Purity that Angus say is a NONSENSE
Wouldn't that mean that bottles that say 100mg/ml are labeled wrong? Or are you saying that SRC's take the ester into consideration when filling vials?
Technically the majority of even pharm grade meds are mislabeled. FDA standards say it must be within 20% of what's listed. So for something that's 100mg/ml 80 is still good and so is 120. That's why generics suck sometimes.
You don't need to go on this. You check how much ester is inside and if conform on label.
So if on label say: TEST PROPIONATE 100 MG
ANGUS TEST SAY: 100 MG TEST PROPIONATE WITH 84% PURITY THIS IS NON SENSE
angusI can't even follow what you're saying so I have no rebuttal.
Yes. Confusing huh
I just think it's odd when people argue about purity. Unless it's TNE it's not 100% "pure" it's all semantics.
The only steroids that contain the exact mg are no ester. Each ester has its own specific weight that changes the amount of hormone you are getting. I think somebody wrote a forum topic on ester weights and how many mg you're actually injecting
zschlitz1Wheres Angus on this? I agree looking for more specific results. Not just a word file
Don't you worry about Angus...He's busy in the back room right now and has left me to explain everything.
These are the new Obamacare mass spec results... They're provided free...no member had to pay for them.
If that's the case then I paid for them just like I pay for everyone at wal marts health care lol
zschlitz1Ur out for blood lately huh?
If it has anything to do with Obama or his lack of care than you know it's all fucked up
** not a shot at cnc or his product**
Exactly.... I'm just having fun... Have no doubt cnc is a great source.