6000 ng/dl total test APPARENTLY
What do you guys think of these test results bullshit or not?
6 weeks in on:
525mg test c per week
350mg npp
No ai or anything else
(Iv worked up from 300 test week1)
+14kg bodyweight (30lbs)
No gyno
No sore nips
No acne
Still horny as fuck with zero problems getting it up if anything I can't get it down
Only side I do have is I keep getting back pumps so much so I have to only do 1 working set of squats before I chuck the towel in and walk like a duck. I'm already taking electrolyte tabs, plenty of water, taurine and magnesium
I know npp shows as test on blood work but I still think the total test seems crazy high
Questions I have for the more experienced gentleman on this forum:
Is my total test bollocks?
Would you introduce a low ai to manage estrogen?
Would you add p5p or something to manage prolactin?
Is the PSA actually something to worry about?
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It depends on the type of testing methodology that’s used. With basic ECLIA nandrolone will cross detect as testosterone. I checked that myself a few months ago. My trt dose consistently has me around 700-800ng/dl and with 100mg of nandrolone added I was >1500 with ECLIA. But with LC/MS nandrolone will not show as testosterone, only testosterone will. ECLIA typically caps at 1500 and you’re nearly 6000. But based on the units of measurement you’re not in the US so it may be different for you and there is no cap. Or this is LC/MS and that’s your actual test levels. 5800ng/dl is very high for 525mg ew but not unheard of.
I’d add an AI and P5P.
I’m not understanding your reference range for PSA. The labs I use normal is 0-4ng/ml. I thought yours was a different unit of measurement and that’s why it only went up to 1.4, but yours is also ng/ml. 1.4 being the high end of normal and 4 are very different. Based on my reference range your 2.8 would be normal. So idk what’s going on there. Mine is always around .4. Trends matter here so what was it last time? I’d retest after the cycle as well.
I don’t think your numbers are “bollocks,” they’re just easy to misread without context.
With low SHBG, total test can look wild on paper while the important part, free test, is what’s actually driving how you feel. When SHBG is low, more test stays unbound, so total can shoot up without necessarily meaning you’re overdosed. That lines up with you feeling good: strong libido, no ED, no gyno issues, etc.
Low SHBG guys also tend to run higher E2 naturally, especially on cycle, and often tolerate it better. If you’ve always felt fine at those estrogen levels, that makes sense. I’m a low SHBG guy myself (~14 on my last trt labs), so I’ve seen the same pattern.
That said, estrogen has a way of creeping up over time. I’d personally consider a very light AI as a guardrail, not to crush it. Just enough to keep it from drifting higher rather than reacting once sides show up. I’ve played the “wait it out” game before and it wasn’t fun, had to bail around week 12 once because of it. Being proactive with AI in micro doses has helped me since.
The NPP skewing total test on bloodwork is real too, which is another reason the total number looks crazier than it really is.
The only thing I wouldn’t fully ignore is PSA. Not alarm bells, especially if it’s been stable and you’re symptom-free, but it’s one of those markers where trends matter more than a single lab. I’d keep an eye on it and recheck when things are calmer (less training stress, no ejaculation beforehand, lower inflammation).
Overall though, your labs mostly read like a low-SHBG responder, not something being wrong. If you feel good and things are stable, I wouldn’t overthink the total number, just manage estrogen gently and keep monitoring the prostate side long term.
What AI do you use to micro-dose and at what dose?
I know everyone is different but a starting off point is always good information.
I use arimidex/anastrozole in very small, controlled amounts rather than whole tablets.
The goal is precision and consistency, not aggressive estrogen suppression..
Thank you!
Im also a low SHBC person. I was 15 and 18 on my last 2 labs. I wonder if it is indicative of being an overall hyper responder. I tend to chew through Test Cyp in about 5 days (time from injection back to pre-injection levels). I dont know if you see the same.
2 cycles ago my E2 was in the high 200’s to mid 300’s with zero side effects.My last cycle, I would take .25 Arimidex about every 4-5 days and my E2 came back lower than predicted. I also started to crush my HDL during my last var cycle and I started 2000 mg / day of Krill oil and was back 5+ points in the green within 4 weeks. I’m sure I should not ChatGPT my results as much as do, but even it was leaning into being a sensitive / hyper responder.
Yeah, that tracks. Low SHBG guys tend to burn through test faster and feel peaks and troughs more. I’ve noticed the same thing. Feel great early on, then you end up chasing stability instead of riding it.
Moving to EOD or daily injections helped me a lot. Way smoother. Fewer swings. Less “what the hell changed?” week to week. The peaks and troughs basically disappear. If someone likes the swings, then yeah, they just have to get better at managing the sides. Some low SHBG guys do fine at 2x a week. It’s very individual.
Also… whoa dude -22 karma? Fuck.
I hope you at least learned something from whatever mistake earned that one. That’s gotta be some kind of record. Now I’m curious how that even happened…
Arimidex doesn’t work the same for everyone either. For me, 1/8 to 1/4 tab every 6 to 10 days drops my E2 about 15 to 35%, depending on where it’s starting. I don’t use it regularly but when I do that’s the average effect. I’ve never taken more than a 1/4 every 6 days. Low E2 is dogshit and takes a few weeks to recover from.
But yeah, based on labs and response, sensitive / hyper-responder fits way better than anything being seriously off. It just means dose volume and frequency matter more when you’re low SHBG. I’d suggest reading and nerding out on SHBG and how it affects T and E2.
I am just going to tell you what i would do if it was me. I would lower the dose down on the cycle the least amount to achieve the goals is whats best,
PSA is the prostate so yours is may be enlarged or irritated. Was it normal before the cycle? If not then seek some medical advice from the doctor as it could be something more serious. (if you are noticing precum a lot randomly then it's enlarged.)
I would take an Ai to knock that estrogen down some, it's okay to be a little elevated but this is on the higher side. 0.5mg of anastrozole 2x a week should be sufficient. You may not have sides yet but you will eventually keeping it that high.
I dont pay much attention to total test, the free test is what matters that is what is available for your body to use to make muscle. Your SHBG is low and that means more Free Test is available for the body to use.
Did you test your liver enzymes and kidneys to see how they are doing?
I did test liver and kidneys and all were in range other than alt very slightly high but ggt was in the middle of reference (I did have DOMs quite bad when doing the bloods so apparently that can affect alt)
The estrogen is basically what is usually is on cycle when I don't use ai- I'm not afraid of ais I just don't seem to get side effects so rarely bother with them
The prolactin is average for me also - I have took caber in the past but I try to limit caber as studies suggest it's not great for the heart and can fuck with mood
Tbh iv been ignoring my PSA it's been roughly double the reference range for over a year both on and off cycle but I don't have any side effects except maybe the back pumps are related
When you see guys running super high gear that is because they have been doing it for years or decades. I am just saying what I would do but it's your body.
It is very concerning that your PSA is high off and on cycle, have you been checked out for it? I am not trying to scare you or anything but that can be an indicator of prostate cancer. It is something you want to get checked out. I do have a pretty good medical background but that does not mean I know everything.
Yeah I appreciate that man. I don't think I need this much extra gear tbf as I grow on small amounts anyway.
That's why I have been putting off a doctor's visit in case it is prostate cancer plus I'm not looking forward to a finger up my ass to find out (I heard that's what they do)
They do it by blood test, i had one done not long ago as i had issues pissing, and they thought it was due to prosstate, and they done a simple blood test
You are supposed to look forward to the finger in your ass. It’s how we bound with our doctors. Just make sure to look him in the eye while he is doing it to make it weird.
Tell him the glove is optional
Dude once you have one finger you are going to want two. Just saying. don't knock the finger.
Wife checks my prostate all the time.
That finger up your ass can save your life. They do have other ways like the blood test you just took and they can use an ultra sound. Prostate cancer is very treatable and curable if it is caught early. Get your ass to the Doctor, your life may depend on it!