posted Mon, 03/18/2013 - 04:24
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thoughts on pre contest cycle...
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here is the final stages for my pre contest cycle, be interested to hear others thoughts on it and what you would do different...with reasons to back it up would be nice 
Weekly (spread over 3 injections at equal intervals across the week, Mon moring, Wed night, Sat morning)
500mgs Tren ACE
300mgs Mast
300mgs Prop
Daily
30mg epistane
60mg winstrol
25mg T3
5iu HGH (due to stop 2 weeks out to minimalise water)
20mg promasin
2 days on/2 days off
90mg Ephedrine stack
80mg Clen
(alternate 2 days, so 2 days of ECA and no clen, then 2 days of clen and no ECA)
look forward to your thoughts...
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Go with 50mg ED on the mast. You will get a lot more from it, as a matter of fact, I'd run everything ED. dont complicate things by the way you are trying to pin it. keep it simple.
I think this cycle needs to be worked on and structured to run more smoothly. I would run the Tren and even the rest ED over EOD. Keep the blood levels consistent. Not sure I understand the logic behind this cycle but I think there are far better options of putting this cycle to be more complete.
ok so following the conversaion below I am splitting the dosages to ED injections, there is only a few weeks to go so wont be such a big deal for me having to pin everyday, but should keep blood levels more stable when using tren ACE and give me the benefit of this. Thanks everyone! as usual the commmunity knowledge and willinginess to offer support is why I keep coming back!
I want to explain in more detail my pinning schedule, your body will reach an optimal point of saturation depending on dosage and half life, what I mean is, on my schedule the range across the half life in my plasma levels won't be different between my schedule and pinning EOD, the fluctuation in plasma levels will be just as bad, the only way to make it perfect is pinning every day or twice per day which I do not want to do.
My schedule - pinning max 60 hours difference
500mg tren on Monday morning, by wednesday night is only 250mg, but I take another 500mg that day so levels go up to 750mg, by saturday the mon injection is gone, the ester is out my system, but the wed one is still there, halved now because it has reached its half life, so sat I would be down to 250mg but inject again making it 750, this gives me an average level across the week of between 250mg and 750mg - a difference of 500mg up and down.
pinning EOD - pinning max 48 hours difference
500mg tren monday morning by wednesday morning would prop be 300mg as it has not quite met its half life, I take another 500 so that is an effective dose of 800 now, by friday the monday injection is gone due to short ester and wed morning injection is now only 300 so I take another 500 and that puts me at 800mg again.
so pinning EOD my range is between 300mg and 800mg - a difference of 500mg up and down.
so in both cases the range is 500mg up and down. Obviously I know that this is not exact but with the half lives thats how it would work with the saturation level so the range between the lowest point and highest point in my blood would be the same, there is a difference of 500mg.
So you are attempting to run a sort of sust blend tren....OK I get it but why? how many tren cycles have you ran?
spent whole of last year short cycles 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off with tren and test prop so a fair few.
do you got any pics?
yep but none I can post up, would not want to be recognised and banned from my contest ;)
AnonSo what ur saying is u plan on injecting 500mg a day of tren ace on Monday Wednesday and Friday???? If ur tren is 100mg/ml that's 5ml just of tren. Who are u Ronnie Coleman?
haha, thats a bad typo huh! sorry I meant 166mg each time, the point is the same though. it will reach a saturation point where the difference in blood levels will be the same amount up and down, the only way to beat that would be to inject every day or even twice per day.
"haha, thats a bad typo huh! sorry I meant 166mg each time"
holy shit thank god!
had me worried bad!
If you can face every day pinning you'll find the dude effects of tren are often reduced. I'd always run tren ace ed for that reason.
I agree, I know tren ace ED would be best, perhaps I should switch to a tri tren instead if I am to keep the current schedule, what are you thoughts on the rest of the items?
don't most people get the most benefit from like 35-50mg TREN ACE per day, ED pins!?
I think only pros need more than that, and your talking doing 500 X 3 per week of TREN ACE?
ive ran it as high as 200mg/d, but im telling you the sides where unbearable, I was daydreaming for a couple hours a night max. 35mg/d works well for me now and that has NO sides at all.
X2. People go mad with tren doses. 50mg ed is fine for me. Once I go higher, sides appear.
honestly I think my tren is underdosed, I had bloods done today so will know for sure, but splitting it up over a week I am currently at 71mg per day if pinning every day. I am doing 500mg over the week.
dont always jump on the bad gear train, bad sides are not an indicator of bad tren bro.... it all depends on the individual you know, i can run upto 2grms without any sides.... does that mean ALL the gallons of tren i have run have been bunk?.. i think not..... bloods will tell brother.
That's quite possible, ugl gear is often not an exact science. Everyone is different, got to find your own apprpriate levels. For me it's a balance between the tren effect and sides.
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tren ace has a half life of 2 - 3 days and prop about 3 - 4 days, the longest between any pin is 60 hours so levels will be fairly stable on the above pinning schedule.
20mg is high I know but puffy nipples crept in a few weeks back and I upped it to 20mg which brought the puffy nips under control ;)
What are your stats bro? This cycle needs a ton of work, it's terrible actually. You need to be pinning at least eod and ideally everyday like the guy said so plasma levels are stable.
20mg of aromasin is overkill bro.
AnonWouldn't it be best to run the oils daily and lower the doses for steadier plasma concentration? Or at minimum eod. Just wondering why u went with MWF?