+ 8 Pin sizes and injection sites for beginners
There are several preferences when it comes to pin sizes. Some will prefer 23g all around, some will go with 1" all around. Some even prefer to use insulin pins all around. All of these will get the compound into the muscle, if used properly. Below are my recommendations for the beginner that is still trying to adapt and learn their body.
Gauge Sizes
The gauge size determines the flow rate of the injection compound. The larger the hole, the faster the flow rate. The faster the flow rate, the quicker it enters the muscle and the greater chance of it to sit in one spot. Reducing the speed of the flow, either with the plunger or the pin size, will allow for the compound to spread out more evenly. For the beginner, this is important because you are injecting a foreign material into the body and the body is not used to seeing this. Therefore the likelihood of experiencing PIP is higher for you than a more experienced person. You don't have to time it, but a flow rate of approx. 30 sec per cc would significantly help reduce PIP.
Pin Sizes
The pin size matters depending on the muscle being injected. The glutes are the largest that you will inject, but they are also the deepest. Even in a fairly lean individual, a layer of fat must be penetrated prior to entering the muscle. Ideally, you should try to get towards the center of the muscle being injected. This is where the pin length comes into play. Smaller muscles and those with less fatty tissue can be injected with shorter pins.
Glutes: 25g, 1.5"
Quads: 25g, 1"
Delts: 25g, 1"
Note: I chose 25g for the first timer because it will help to control the flow rate to a point that will help to reduce the PIP for you. Otherwise, 23g could be used for quads and glutes.
Injection Amount
The larger the muscle, the greater the amount of liquids it can hold. Likewise, the smaller the muscle, the lesser amount it is capable of sustaining.
Glutes: 5cc
Quads: 3cc
Deltoids: 1cc
Site Locations & Rotations
When you begin EOD pinning, you're going to want to rotate your injection sites in a manner that allows each pinned muscle time to rest and recover from the stress caused by introducing the foreign matter. This means to avoid pinning the same muscle twice in one week. With good rotation of just glutes, quads, and delts, on a basic cycle with a prop taper and/or kicker, you can accomplish this. This link is a good resource for you to learn site locations:
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is that a slim pin ? I've never used anything under 25 g 1/2 .... I have been reading on this forum about people hitting delts with 5/8. is that deep enough?
25g is not considered slin, although its rather small. The smaller pin provides for a reduced flow rate as well as smaller puncture. This makes a noticeable difference with pip.
for sure .. I was asking about the 27 g 5/8
i've yet to be able to find the 5/8" pins...
Muscleg33k28g and over is considered an insulin pin i believe. 5/8" is deep enough if you are fairly lean.
nice bro.... whatever works and doesn't have ya hobbling.... I just always want to get as deep in the muscle as I can ya know
great info! injecting the oil slowly, keeping the muscle relaxed, warming up the oil, etc. are some ways to reduce the PIP. ive injected in my left quad and had very little PIP by doing those things and then immediately did the right quad injecting faster, was not as relaxed, not warming it up and had a lot more PIP.
5CC in the glute is SAVAGE !! Ive also never gone past 3
i agree. i've never gone over 3 either. those amounts came from my ole lady's nursing textbooks.
Nice to know. I dont have anything that goes over 3 anyhow but still good to know
RustyhookerNice! Ive not yet gone to 5 in one glute pin but 3 is cake! Great info on utilizing small pins