+ 3 Muscles vs Tendons
While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on Winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on Winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- Winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like Winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen synthesis, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen synthesis and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen synthesis.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen synthesis, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen synthesis is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, Deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen synthesis, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen synthesis to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen synthesis in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen synthesis -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen synthesis at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.
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Thumbs up from me glad you put this post up could get people thinking outside the box and would be a great benifit for injury section when its up and running.
Thanks bro! Injury section would be great!
Has anybody on here run EQ at a high dose, say 800ew+ and low test, say 150-250ew? Would be interesting to get some actual examples and results on here.
AnonI always run low test.
My last cycle was
800mg EQ
250mg Test
300mg Deca
Also ran 6wks of Var at 75mg
Joints felt good on cycle but few months after my elbows have a little stiffness in them.
I have a mate whos run 250mg test e 450mg eq he is gna get his before and after shots up soon.great lean gains,no water,big body fat drop,and helped with pain from injury.think he put on over 10 pounds easy so far.eating like a beast and never went over the 250 mg mark on test.
This is what I want to hear. I appear to be prone to tendonitis after steroid cycles. This article is very interesting to me. I'm thinking a low test and a high eq dose could serve me very well, if it helps protect your tendons.
A here that can be quite bad bro stupid question but is there nothing they can do for you ? Ano pain killers are not much of a long term option it would seem aas are doing the job 100% betta than any pain meds speaking long term.only problem is for me the data bks it up for rehab and injurys and as my mate said it has been like magic for his spine but hes 28 am only 21 now 22 in a few month but what am bovad abwt is shut down long term effects ect its gna be my first real cycle not for gains but for my rehab and folk a dead against 2-3 compounds first cycle for good reason.its gna be realy low doses just anuff for the healing thrw rehab about a 12-16 cycle.a need to try and find some advise on it.studys say to run it 3-5 month post and not before its said about plasma levels,rates of col synth why its best to use then and some more science that went ryt over my head.a hope they get the injury section up soon.add joebig517 he is doing the cycle you are on abwt am sure he would be fine if you give him a pm asking what effects he has seen and any over questions.
I've fr him. Many thanks for taking the time out bud.
Happy a could help.
Seen this myself on elite fitness.there was a few links to bk up some of the data written here from studys and so on.i am basen my cycle on low test low eq and var for ligament healing.i have seen well over 30 peoples results after the surgery and it seems to help a shit load on ligaments/tendons a lot of them are down the line 5-6 year still hitting marathons and joining elite regiments.which would seem to show this has benifits for rehab also doctors said to a lot of them they where on a fast track to recovery and they where shocked at speed it had happend.this is not just bro science theres clinical trials where they have used var,deca,eq not all at once on acl recon rehab people age 18-30 and non steroid given patients. the steroid given seem to have not only short term benifits but long term benifits to there new grafts.thing is if you say about it to people and your younger than 25 people will say its stupid dnt do it your to young and so on...but the way i see it is doses that do for the rehab healing will have no sides if done ryt and will benifit long term even for years after your off your few month long cycle.due to the advanced healing to your graft which you cnt get in your bodys normal state.if this makes grafts last 15-20 years or longer and keeping you at a high level of fittness instead of the 3-5 year i think the benifits of this outway the short cycle sides if any.it needs looked into more.
CleyonThis is one of the BEST posts I've read lately. I know exactly what you talking about with the weakened tendons on cycle, and thought that was a really good reason to run HGH, but after reading this I think that Equi is a much better (cheaper) option. Great job, +1 from me.
Cheaper yes (EQ) but is it better in your opinion? I have a friend now that has some problems with tendons and is considering what to use...
CleyonI understand what you're saying there, and no if your sole concern is to keep you joints healthy during a cycle EQ is just a much less expensive option, that doesn't need to be run for 4 months before you see results. However if all you care about is healing your joints it's probably better to go with hGH.
Also something I think I'd add to the discussion is IGF-1. While it doesn't do as much to increase collogen production, it does help with tissue re-generation and repair. It's been shown to effectively treat Arthritis, and is even effective at helping to treat brain injuries.
Hey Thorus, what medical data did you get the info from that test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times? All the medical and scientific reveiws i have read, state it's around a 28% increase, thats only an increase of 0.28 times or just under a third, a hell of a long way from 50 times lol.
As for the collagen synthesis i assume you are refering solely to CTX I and not CSA, fibril characteristics and tendon biomechanical properties, which is of course a well documented science and seems to be attributed to an excess of estrogen via aromatization through CYP450 enzyme activity.
There is a lot in your statment i would like to comment on based on a medical scientific basis but don't have the time at the minute so i will come back to this later.
Hey bro,
I'm not an author of this text,just shared it ;)
All discussions are welcome,that's why I posted it!
Respect,
T.
biggerthanyouWhat else can u tell me about low test high eq cycles?
thanks brotha great info!
good info. thanks