posted Fri, 03/22/2013 - 08:59
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LOW prolactic levels while on Deca **UPDATED
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So I got my bloods back and one of the bigger flags I saw was very low prolactin. Im at 0.9 and the normal range is 4.0-15.2. I am taking 500mg deca per week and have been taking .25 caber e3d. Does this mean i should cut off the caber, or maybe my deca is bunk?? Im having some terrible mental sides and have noticed my libido steadily going down. I tried to test my estrogen too but the fucking lab didnt write my number down so I have to retest.
EDIT: Sorry, enitre cycle details is posted in comments.
EDIT 2: My total estrogen came back at 1789, so I think I found the issue....
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UFOOK guys, I got my estrogen results back. My TOTAL ESTROGEN was at 1789. I dont know what it is with me but my body literally converts everything to estrogen?? My Stats are 5'10 195 and 9-10% bf, so its not like im a fatass just sitting around on the couch. Ive never had these reactions with estro this high until my last cycle. I have used these compounds before too. I do feel better this week though and I have been hitting the exem and letro pretty hard. Any suggestions on how to dose guys? Im goiung to get another blood test this week and see if my levels are dropping. Appreciate any help
We need to know your estradiol (E2) because your e1 and e3 also contribute to your total estrogen. If we know your e2 we know exactly how much Ai you need. Total est is not really helpful because it also includes good estrogen e3. You need a certain amount of each estrogen. Unless you have creaky joint keep taking your AI. Remember estrogen can convert to prolactin also independent of your deca. I would recommend continue caber just decrease your dosing. Find your SHBG levels as well bcuz e2 binds strongly to SHBG again why total estrogen is worthless
UFOOK will do...Ill get my e2 tested this week rather than total. No achey joints, just a change in my attitude and mood foer the better so I think Im on the right track. Appreciate the feedback bro and might need to pick your brain a littler more...FR sent
Are you confident your AI is legit?
FR approved.
UFOThey are from PP so yea pretty sure. I just think I waited to long, I didnt start hitting the AI till week 4-5
Why don't you just take caber every 4 days. Reduce your caber intake.
Also anxiety and depression are typical sides of Low estrogen or high estro it depends. Maybe low prolactin is not your issue.
UFOIm just going to cut the caber completely...if its suppressing my prolactin levels that much I dont think it is necessary to take...think thats ok?
Rustyhookerwhats you bf%...since everything converts heavily...its different for you. And males have no need for prolactin...
There's a lot of AI going on here, aromasin and letro at reasonable doses. Can see why you did that though, onset of gyno. How are your joints, stiff / aching at all? I heavily suspect you've decked your estro.
Your prolactin is low, but I doubt that's why your libido has gone to shit. My plan would the aromasin and continue with letro IF you're still trying to control gyno. If its under control, lose the letro and reduce the caber.
The other angle is to stop the cycle, sort the gyno and pct. Deca runs can be hard on you, it's a compound that a lot of people take too lightly as its common.
Drop me a line if you need to and keep us posted how you get on with those results.
UFOHey bro thanks for the reply didnt see it until today. I know that my sides are all HIGH estrogen related. I dont know how or why, but my body converts everything to estrogen at an insane rate and I caught it too late this round. I have 0 achey or stiff joints so I know its not low. But as an example, my last cycle my total estrogen levels hit 9000, yes 9k total estrogen. Thats like a new world record. I have a blood test posted on here from that same cycle and I was already at 3000 but thought it was a lab error so I cut way down on the AI and it shot up to 9000. So Im pretty sure the same is happening now, Im just hoping I caught it a little early. My only symptom last cycle was complete loss of libido. I didnt feel that this round until I really started hittin the letro so I just think I over did it with that. I will actually be getting my estrogen results back within the next few hours and will post em up...
I remember that post, didn't realise that was you. High and low estro can give fairly similar symptoms in men, just tomake life even more confusing!!!!
Post up this results when you get 'em mate and we'll see if we can get a plan together.
UFOPosted up my estro bro...gunna hit you on FR too
Anonin the male body we have no need for prolactin/prog.. it can pretty much be "overkilled" without negatively acting upon us.
UFOActually wrong...look up low prolactin sides in men. Most of it is mental side effect, which is exactly what I have been feeling..(anxiety, depression,obsessions ect)
The obsessions could be from HIGH dopamine. Caber can also make some people feel anxious or depressed.
Muta was right, prolactin is not necessary in males, though it is okay to have a small amount, your not gonna die without it.
I agree. Not sure you would even be able to detect any sort of hormonal imbalance with nearly zero prolactin.
UFOI got my bloods taken at 5 weeks in. Ill get my estrogen results back on monday so I cant do much until then. Im going to stop the caber, cut the letro down but keep hitting the exem. I think this is just a bad combo of high estro and low prolactin...never knew how much it messes with you mentally.
That's a lot of AI IMO. How long have you been on all of that compared to when you took your blood test? Maybe you crashed your estrogen since your blood was drawn.
AnonHow long have you been on deca and what's your test/deca ratio or should I say the mg's yor taking bro ?? 500 mg deca but how much test and what kind of test c or e. ?
UFOMy entire cycle is
Dbol 1-4 30mg
Test Cyp 700mg
Deca 500mg
Proviron 25mg ed
Caber .25 e3d
For AIs i was taking exem 12.5 eod until I saw some gyno sides and I bumped it to 25 per day. Then I felt what I thought was high estro sides(mood swings, depression, libido going down)so I started hitting letro at 2.5 mg a day also.
Last cycle I had INSANE estro numbers thats why I started hitting the letro again. But now, since I didnt get my estrogen results, I dont know if I have high estro, low estro or its the low prolactin levels. Shit fucking sucks
Might be a lot of things, can't judge before we know the full cycle. Have u tried deca before? Or maybe gear from the same labs? That should tell u if its legit or not. That caber dose is not high. Again, I dont know wat the full cycle is, but if you're controlling estro with an AI, u most probably will not need caber for that dosage of nandrolone.