posted Tue, 12/04/2012 - 12:03
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First Cycle Finalization
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Okay after some time planning here is my finalized cycle.
1-12 Test E 250mg monday, thursday 500mg total
4-14 Arimidex .25mg e3d will adjust as needed
4-13 HCG 250 iu monday, thursday 500iu total
14 HCG blast 1000iu
PCT starting week 15
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Exemstane 6.25mg ed throughout pct
Going to be striving for 4000-5000 calories a day
Current Stats
25yo
205lbs
15% bf (going to diet down to 13% before starting my cycle)
5'11"
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Seems thought out..enjoy
i am curious as to why your using an AI in conjunction with your cycle?
To keep estrogen within normal ranges.
so what is a normal range? and what does that normal range do for you?
Well ya dont wanna be really grow tits so most run AI nowadays during cycle at week three on..most through pct too!..I thrown the whole stack into pct ..most important
ok, so he is trying to avoid gyno is what you are saying, is that right Girbil?
in that case how does he know that hes prone to gyno being that this is 1st cycle?
Puberty and BF % are indicators of possible of prone to gyno problems ..higher bf more chance...
hurry everyone come join the below 8% club!
peeps1-12 Test E 250mg monday, thursday 500mg total
1-14 Arimidex .25mg eod will adjust as needed
1-13 HCG 250 iu monday, thursday 500iu total
14 HCG blast 1000iu
PCT starting week 15
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Exemstane 6.25mg ed throughout pct
IMO that's too long to run hcg, it can do more harm than good. And I wouldn't blast either. Just stay steady at 250iu doses. People usually only blast when they haven't been running hcg throughout the cycle. Not necessary and it will just imbalance things more.
CleyonPeeps, don't start the Arimidex until the third or fourth week of a cycle. It will take that long for the Test E to really start to hit his system, and for his natural reaction to the increased T levels to start happening.
I personally think running HCG through a cycle is a waste, but it's not going to hurt anything.
peepshttp://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/gyno-symptoms-pissib...
estrogen levels will be raised after just 48 leading to sides bro.
Again bro, this is ONE guy who is obviously VERY sensitive. Nvm man, agree to disagree. Everyone reacts differently.
peepsNo
Test e hits peak plasma levels after 48h
3/4 weeks is when you see gains nothing to do with estrogen release that will start within a couple of days.
Umm again, nope. Sorry bro. You will NOT hit peak levels in 48hrs. You have been misinformed on a few things...
peepsThe pharmacokinetics of 2 testosterone esters, testosterone enanthate and testosterone cyclohexanecarboxylate, were compared in a single blind crossover study in healthy young men. Their effects on serum and salivary levels of testosterone, as well as on the serum levels of LH, FSH and proclactin were measured after the injection of doses equivalent to 140 mg free testosterone. Both preparations yielded supraphysiological testosterone levels in serum and saliva as early as 2 h following injection, reaching peak levels 4 to 5 times above basal between 8 and 24 h. LH and FSH levels were suppressed as long as serum testosterone levels were elevated. Nine days after injecting testosterone enanthate and 7 days after giving testosterone cyclohexanecarboxylate, serum and salivary levels of testosterone had returned to basal. The longer activity of testosterone enanthate was also evidenced from more extended suppression of gonadotrophin levels. Although neither preparation is ideal because of the initial supraphysiological peaks, testosterone enanthate appears preferable for clinical use because of its slightly longer duration of action.
hyphy is absolutely correct on this. I challenge you to take your 1 injection then go run bloods in 48hrs and see what they look like.
Thank you sir. I thought I was going crazy there for a second.
Oh wow. You really thought you got me there huh? Too bad that's talking about ONE SINGLE dose, not the overall levels of a cycle. And next time you're gonna copy and paste something you should cite your source at least. Anyone can google.
peepsIta fucking fact and even more so if your on cycle with a higher dose ,one single shot will hit plasma peak levels within 48 , higher dose maybe sooner .
waiting until week 4 to start adex is fucking dumb because test e will elevate estrogen levels much sooner ...
clown.
Listen here bud, he was OBVIOUSLY talking about when your overall levels will peak on cycle, NOT when levels peak from a single dose, which is what the study you posted was referring to. And it didn't say ANYTHING about estrogen. Therefore it was IRRELEVANT. So don't think that because you can use google, and copy and paste a bunch of pictures in here that you know everything. And watch the name calling. Guess what was the FIRST result that came up when I searched "when do single dose test levels peak?? The same exact study you just rattled off like a parrot.
The point is, IMO, I would not run an ai until OVERALL test levels peak, because that is when estrogen levels peak as well. That usually happens AFTER a couple weeks with this esther. The only time I would start ai in day one is if I was prone to gyno and/or running a highly aromatizing cycle. Which this usually is not. Now have a good day
peepsCopy a bunch of picture ? whos doing that?
Listen the use of adex on cycle is to control estrogen right?
Estrogen is a lot more suppressive than test and seeming peak plasma levels are at peak weeks be4 week 4 meaning estrogen is shutting down your system why wait untill week 4 to start it?
I dont know were you are getting i copy and pasted pictures from google from (except 2 in the danabol ds thread i made thats it) all other pictures i have taken myself.
the reason that you wait until wk 3 or 4 is you don't want to lower your estro levels to far. very low estro is just as bad sometimes worse than high estro. sore joints anyone. lowering good cholesterol. just to name a few.
I never said week 4! Not once. I'm just saying WITH THIS PARTICULAR CYCLE it's unnecessary to run from day one. Unless this guy grows bitch tits real easy. I usually start at week three, especially with a simple test only cycle. Just like it's over kill to run the hcg from day one. If he starts to get sensitive nips, then sure start ai earlier!
CleyonGuys you obviously aren't going to change each others (or anyone else's) mind. Bury the hatchet, and call it a day.
Ya man I hear ya. Done.
It would be nice if Test E hit peak levels at 48hrs and had the same half life. It would make cycles kick in so much faster.
dam gerbil, you respond to him but you cant respond to my questions. still wondering why your using an AI.
I realize I am gyno prone due to me being stupid in my youth and taking dimethazine and getting puffy nipples which were corrected by letro. Since then I have researched alot more and learned more on proper protocol.
Savy?
interesting, i believe that is a prohormone, and prohormones is where i experienced my first round of gyno side effects. well then my man, its good to know that you are prepared well for your 1st cycle. enjoy!
Dimethazine is actually a very old italian designed steroid that was rediscovered by supplement companies. Thus it is rather hard to get any info on it because my italian is a bit rusty and I havent seen any of the papers on it translated, so its hard to even search for them.
Also thanks dude I will attempt to enjoy it.
Ok good to know. That does change things. Start ai soon. Still don't start hcg until after a few weeks. And have letro on hand. Maybe just start with a real low dose of adex for first couple weeks.
too high on adex to start
Would .25mg eod be good?
start it e3d, my spot happens to be eod but dont want to kill your estro to start
Everything else look fine?
everything else is good brotha
Thanks for the response. I will switch it to e3d and adjust accordingly.