well, i made the mistake of running tren on my second cycle.. i had an AMAZING first cycle with test + deca, then let myself go completely and turned into a pile of goo (you can see this all unfold in my pics!) i decided i absolutely had to use tren to get myself back in to shape. it worked amazingly, problem was in 7 weeks i just about ruined my life. i was breaking things left and right, blowing up on people friend or stranger with zero provocation just to get the anger out. couldn't sleep, felt like garbage. VIKING is spot on, stay away from tren unless you are going into a comp.. there's so many other great compounds that you can get great results with that don't make you crazy or wreak havoc on your body.

I see this thread is a week old. Lol. I see Tren and I salivate! My bad!

Here's the deal with tren, it's one of those things you have to look at with a healthy respect and admiration. Kind of like our guru of eroids, the Tread man! You don't just join up and start shooting the shit with tread. You have to work your way up through the other members to build the confidence to be blessed by the presence of the guru! Tren is the same! You have to first be navigate your way through your body and how it works, what makes it run properly, and what you need to do to keep it runnin at its peak!
Number 1, you need your diet to be absolutely perfect to begin reaping the benefits of AAS.
Number 2, you need to have learned how to train to reach your goals.
Number 3, you should have already run most other compounds , especially the other 19-nor Nandrolone. Once you have been cycling for a while, you should have a good idea of how you respond to the other compounds. You should know your sweet spots and ratios of test to the others. You know you're ready when you have checked all these things off the list and have learned your body to a T. Tren is like the Lamborghini of AAS. If you don't know how to drive stick, you admire the lamborghini , but you don't dare jump behind the wheel! When you're learning to drive in a less powerful car, when you finally are ready for the beast, you'll be able to love ,appreciate and respect it! Everyone is interested in tren because of the thing they hear. But 90% of the brothers that inquire turn out to not be anywhere near ready once you start talking to them. It's a very powerful compound and it needs to be respected! I probably went a little over board with this post but whatever. The bottom line is you need to put in the time and work on your body , run the other compounds before you can jump on the tren train.

IMO the first cycle to introduce trenbolone (and that would be tren A )would be the cutting stack you use for your first ever competetive bodybuilding show! there is absolutely no other reason to use tren when so many other far milder compounds combined with correct nutrition and training principles will do more or less the same job! i am talking about NPP short estered deca... stacked with anavar or winstrol,with a bodyfat % reading of 10 or below and a proper approach to carb depletion/loading
principles the results are very comparable with a shit load of unwanted sides never raising there ugly heads,its not just physical side effects that are the problem with tren its the far worse effects that affect the mentality and some of these are totally unreversible as i well know! it can and will turn a normal mild mannered person into a complete full blown aggressive killing machine... this is no joke its serious stuff which i have encountered many many times with friends and training partners over the years... i know a guy who hasnt touched tren for at least 4/5yrs and he still cannot get a nights sleep through insomnia,he is in his early forties and looks about 70yrs old now.others have had marriage breaks ups as have i personally and i blame that on tren... if you choose to ride the devils bull you must have a really strong mindset because tren will find your weak spots every single time... it must be used with great caution and treat with the upmost respect... cos it will bite hard and fuck you up for good.

Nearly forgot.. welcome to eroids brother learn and be wise

I like ur attitude bro. U seem like u are receptive to advice. Ur going to do just fine around here. Welcome to Eroids brother. FR sent homie
PS I love the quote on ur page! I could listen to Kai talk all day.

There's so much more(compounds) to choose from...leave the tren alone. Like was stated below, at least ten!! So...if you do TWO cycles/year, you got FIVE years of experimenting to do, learning the ropes and your body on compounds.

10 cycles= Tren!!

NO TREN! VIEW YOUR POST PRIOR TO THIS.

Thank You