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So this will be my second real cycle where I know what I'm doing sort of haha. I'm thinking of running 750mg test e for the standard 12 weeks with standard pct but wanted to maybe add var at the end. My question is if I were to add var should it be during my cycle for say the last four weeks then pct two weeks later, or say two weeks then the two weeks between my cycle and pct? I'm wondering if I can do that to keep my gains to the fullest. Thanks for the input!

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Another "High dose hero" so i see!............ LMFAO!

Champion Of The Mind's picture

All AAS suppress natural testosterone production. After running 750 mg of test, for 12 weeks "which is a lot for a second cycle" your natural test will be shut down... the point of pct is to allow the body to regain its natural function and return to its organic state. When you adding more AAS on top of your already shut down testosterone, you are hindering the recovery process, because you are still suppressing the testosterone to a certain extent. therefor a full recovery could possibly be hindered or intangible. I understand what you are asking, it has become some popular to run var or winny during pct lately, but it only works for very few people...and 90% of the time, it causes more damage than good; so what would be the point? There is no valid point... I personally look at it, but after looking at a few studies and they all showed it to be a no-no... plus common sense should tell you that it's a no-go... I simply passed on it as a failure... Right now I'm looking into running Clen as a bridge between cycle... I'll post my analysis in the future after my studies are completed. I want to add, I notice this is your second cycle.... Don't worry about adding in multiple compounds for a while... you can only grow so much at one time. if you eat, train and sleep properly, you will receive the fullest benefit AAS has to offer. You could benefit more by dropping the test down to 500mgs a week, because if you start high, where are you going to go from there?

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Excellent..................... +3 brother Smile

freerage's picture

You make some valid points, I appreciate the time you took to write this response. I have decided to pursue the less is more path.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Great attitude .................. +3 brother Smile

Champion Of The Mind's picture

No prob bro, we're here to help, and when people take the help and apply it, they will be happier in the long run; I promise... Glad we could help you get your cycle straight.

freerage's picture

Thank you guys for the input. I'm going to run 500 mg a week. I also won't run the var but just for future knowledge could you answer my previous question about taking it at the end of a cycle. Your input is greatly appreciated!

wolverinewannabe's picture

If youre running aromasin during your pct you might want to cut the nolvadex in half.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Good point, I assumed it was for A/I since no other was listed.

wolverinewannabe's picture

Below he said something about using it at the end.

eatbig's picture

Honestly, everytime I tried to go with higher doses it just brought on more sides and a harder shut down. More is not always better. I would stick to a 500 mg dose per week wich is more than enoughf to make substantial gains.

Dickkhead's picture

PIN_CUSHION writes:

I would just stick another test only at 500mg. Do it right this time no need for an oral yet.

I agree completely. Think about it. Did u run test at 500 first cycle? Second cycle u want 750? So, third cycle what are u envisioning 1,000 mg / wk. ?

If u do a proper PCT and don't slack off your diet and training between cycles u will keep most of your gains in lean mass. U will loose the water and your weight will drop a little and without that water in the muscle bellies you may experience a drop in strength but please don't think you have lost the lean tissue.

freerage's picture

I ran 600 mg a week and had literally zero sides at the end I was trying to kill my vials and took 750 a week for 3 weeks and saw a drastic increase in my performance and gains. This is a new source this time and one if the highest rated quality gears on this sight so I will run less and maybe see the same if not better results!

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Stats
Age: 26
Height: 6"1'
Weight: 205
BF: 12%

I would just stick another test only at 500mg. Do it right this time no need for an oral yet. Please show your proper PCT.

freerage's picture

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Clomid and nolva
Maybe keep using my aromas in at 12.5 eod

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Perfect, with a good diet and proper training, you'll grow guaranteed.