posted Wed, 10/16/2013 - 03:35
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boldenone long term along side test trt
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ok dont flame me for this its just a general idea,from what i have read boldenone is not toxic at all and its one off the safest steroids out there,so would there be any drastic consequences to using a small dose long term lets say 150mg to 200mg every week for lets say anywhere between 6 to 12 months along side 150mg test cyp trt from the doc......or just stock pile the shit and bast it all over a 12 week cycle?
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AnonI'm pretty sure Louie Simmons stays on eq year round, I'm not saying everybody should do it I'm just saying there are some ppl out there who do it
told my doc about my plans to put deca or boldenone in with my trt dose weekly.....he replied he has no idea what boldenone is but if i am having joint pain he can give me a script for deca:I lol..th guys a legend! well i thought he was till he showed me the price...anyone put deca along side there trt?
I would keep check on RBC and HEMOCRIT levels. Regular blood work
should suffice.
i will keep watch on all bloods,i will be having blood work done every 6 weeks....i will keep create a new post and update it every 6 weeks with blood results
Dude, don't listen to any of these cats who have never tried it and they're quoting broscience. Talk to someone who's done it and can tell you what to expect. Me, and another dude I know on Anabolic minds.
First of all, these cats that talk about 400-600mg / week for 12-16 weeks are saying what they heard someone else say who heard what someone else said. It's NONESENSE bro. They use JUST 50mg per week on RACE HORSES with amazing results. We're talking about the laws of diminishing returns combined with people who are IMPATIENT and want results fast. These are the guys who say "bro I gained 15 lbs in one month, high five!"
SLOW and STEADY wins the race. Cruising on 150-200 mg of EQ on top of a test base is going to make you feel like a god six months from now. I'm doing 250mg Test E year round and just got started on an additional 250mg EQ per week and so far so good. 250test/250eq is also the same year-round cruising protocol my more experienced buddy uses. No estro sides to deal with, just slow and steady progress. He actually switches it up for blast phases with Tren, but I'm not into that.
Anyway what you DO want to watch out for is high blood pressure -- listen to your body. but 250mg for a solid 20+ weeks on top of a test base is WAY, WAY better than doing this broscience 400-600mg per week for 12. It's a waste, your body just doesn't work that way (unless you ARE a small horse and weigh 250lbs and NEED more to make gains).
i think im going to give it a try:)
ill have my bloods checked every 6 weeks and if theres any problems then i can just drop the eq
You can drop the eq, but considering the long acting nature of the substance, a quicker fix is to donate blood as well.
UFO1st of all, you should not run ANY AAS compound(aside from test if on TRT) for 6-12 months considering there is almost no scientific data on long term use of AAS. 2nd, you wont see jack shit in terms of gains from 150mg of EQ a week so it would be pointless. And 3rd, there is evidence of EQ raising hematocrit levels which could then lead to heart issues. So no, just go for the standard 16-20 week run of EQ. What is your stats and cycle history, then guys will be able to steer you in a better direction.
BigBmajAre you sure about all of those emphatic statements?
Because I'm not so sure. Viking was talking about running 1000 mg for 30 weeks awhile back. I can't imagine that 125 mg a week for 52 would be any worse than that?
I was thinking about trying a 125 mg a week running it with 200 test. I think it could be nice for repair and appetite. I know 300 mg a week is enough to see results so I'm thinking of dropping it down even further.
Try to step outside of the box and think a little once in awhile, you may like what you find.
UFOWhat does me stepping outside of the box have anything to do with what was said? Because I don't think you will see gains off of 200mg of EQ? You think youll see better gains off running EQ at 200mg for 50 wks as opposed to running it at 6-800 for 16-20 wks in a blast?? lol. If all you want is a raise in appetite and repair, than sure that dose is fine. He asked about muscle building though, which you will not get from 150-200mg.
As for the hematocrit levels raising, I know this from my own bloods while on cycle, as well as others experiencing the same raise while on EQ. By all means, go get your own bloods done while running an EQ cycle then come disagree with me.
Oh and please, don't compare Viking, who is a 50+ yr vet running insane cycles, to a 25 yr old on his 5th cycle. Like you said, think a little.
isn't the average dose of EQ 400-600 anyways? who does less then that? Why would you want to? Where is the chase and how do I cut to it?
UFONot sure what your getting at here since I am also saying it is pointless to dose less than that...
I'm agreeing with you.
UFOhaha ok got you...couldnt tell at first.
lol no problem Bro; I agree that it should be taken as the way it should be; 400-600 a week for 12-14 weeks and then stop. That's my plan anyways after I wind down from my trt dosing. But I'm adding Mast to the mix too.
sorry gents, total nonesense broscience here.
Because you're a doctor and an expert because you run compounds all year round? Where is your science behind your claims? So since the introduction of steroids in the 50's all people who have used it and the Doctor's who tested it on patients is wrong? Broscience is what you are spewing out of your mouth telling someone they can dose on 2 compounds all year round and be safe. Let him talk to his doctor and see what he has to say, but I have a feeling you don't believe in "DocScience" either.
Ok chief, I'm not going to play intellectual ping pong with you. When you're not on bro-roids.com I'm sure you research The Journal of Biological Chemistry, the US National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health for information, yes? You seem like a smart guy, I'm sure you're informed.
But if you haven't read a scholarly article in awhile, you may have missed research-based factual reports that you should really be aware of.
In case the scholarly article is difficult to comprehend (aka, big words), feel free to refer to my original summary -- androgen receptor burnout is a MYTH.
"Androgen receptor in human skeletal muscle and cultured muscle satellite cells: UP-REGULATION by androgen treatment"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15472231
and another...
"Nuclear transport, phosphorylation, ligand binding, and degradation rate of the recombinant androgen receptor (AR) were analyzed in transfected COS cells in the presence of various STEROIDS and antiandrogens. Transcriptional activation was assessed in CV1 cells by cotransfection with an androgen-responsive chloramphenicol acetyltransferase (CAT) reporter vector. Hormone binding specificity of recombinant AR was essentially IDENTICAL to endogenous AR. AR localized in the nucleus in the presence of methyltrienolone (R1881, a synthetic androgen), dihydrotestosterone, testosterone, hydroxyflutamide, cyproterone acetate, estradiol, progesterone, and RU486. In the absence of hormone or with the antiandrogen, flutamide, AR remained largely in the cytoplasm with a perinuclear distribution. AR was degraded rapidly (t1/2 = 1 h) EXCEPT IN THE PRESENCE OF ANDROGEN (t1/2 = 6 h) which accounted for an apparent 2-4-fold androgen-induced INCREASE in AR phosphorylation.
http://www.jbc.org/content/267/2/968.short
Now, as a doctor -- whose job is to DO NO HARM, his job is NOT to advise a patient to take illegal substances that will increase his red blood cell count, and that is made in an underground lab. His doctor shouldn't encourage him to get less than 8 hours of sleep nor eat cookies everyday either. If you could get what you wanted from your Doctor, you wouldn't be here.
How do you like them apples, Sir?
1st of all lets not try and be a smartass know it all because you read some articles and now think you are educated. If that was true My doctor would have never prescribed me testosterone for trt. it has been proven LOW doses of certain test may or may not be harmful NOT EQUIPOSE A FUCKING HORSE STEROID. There have been very little studies on humans but according to my Professor the interest has increased due to people (such as yourself) who think its virtually safe because the affinity to convert is minimal. Don't quote an article if you don't understand the fancy words they are using because apparently you misunderstood the point they were trying to get across. I suggest you read the followup on animal steroids and the long term effect on the human body. In the future try not to talk down to me because you seem like a smart guy yourself, just a little misinformed
Keep the faith my friend!
The long term effect of using animal steroids on the human body has been conclusively proven by broscientists and basement lap techs worldwide to be increased awesomeness and amazeballs health benefits. Side effects include pissing skittles and farting unicorns. One fish oil cap a day and a steady dose of dihydrogen oxide should keep everything running honky dorry.
I'm fairly sure I read that on the New England Journal of Medicine.
Haha you're all right yourself.
i might have a word with my doctor and see what his thoughts are and if he can keep a eye on my bloods im thinking my regular test dose plus 200mg boldenone for lets say 6months and see how it goes.
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BigBmajHe won't like the idea, I'm willing to bet. But you could run bloods every three months and keep an eye on your hemocrit if it's not high and you feel good, roll with it.
I'm also wondering about running 100 mg of deca a week, my body just feels so much better on a little deca.
You don't produce any test? Reason for this?
26 years old
hight 191cm - 6ft 3
weight 97kg
body fat 12%
5 cycles in my past years
been on trt since i was 21 years old from the doc,i have been training for just over 6 years now im at 100% ectomorph very hard for me to put on weight very long lean muscles....my last two cycles was 750mg test cyp and 600mg boldenone and 40mg dianabol kicker along with adex...for 14weeks.......good lean gains ive kept 70% off what i have built
can I ask ask why trt at such a young age?? is it due to steroid usage?? wouldn't you like to just stop injecting, and try and bounce yourself back? there are protocols for that you know, damn!! it must be different over here in Australia, trt/hrt is for guys over 40 only, the age is getting younger and younger, not good!!!
oz is rather strict on steroids yeah? in the uk its so out in the open steroids are EVERY WHERE.too be totally honest its getting bad in the uk now every one just jumps on steroids even before working out naturally first...there 16 to 18 year old kids in my gym using double what i use on a cycle.it does not help when steroids are half the price off supplements these days...its getting rather out off hand
yeah mate, they are highly illegal, is jail. bikies give it a bad name. real bad here for that shit rite now, cracking down, ill bet the seizure rate to oz triples over the next couple of months.
ive read how hard it is getting stuff in to oz and seen way to much on tv, oz customs in the airport..THEY FIND EVERYTHING
i had the miss fortune off being rather stupid in my teen years,i was 6 ft 3inchs tall at the age off 16 weighing in at around 75kg very very slim and lanky so i started working out a year later i put on a few kilos naturally by the age off 17 i wanted what every body else had,it didnt help that the gym i was going to was full off aas users and at the age off 17 i pritty much believed anything what people told me in the gym so i jumped on the wagon and started using aas i had no idea what i was doing,i think my 1st cycle i put on like 18kg using sus and deca,didnt follow up with a pct and lost pritty much everything,few months later i repeated the process,it got to my 3rd cycle where i started to read in to it properly.came off my 3rd cycle with a proper pct and went natural for about year and a half not putting on any muscle very low energy low sex drive so i went down the docs had my bloods done 1st time i came back at 11nmol which for my age is very very low, my free testosterone from 200 to 580 was 190...so he offered me the choice off trt
damn bro, why don't you try a mega pct and try to get back on track with out trt!!!
if not I don't see any point in running the low dose eq all year round, that's why they blast and cruise etc, so if your going to use it blast it for 14- 16 weeks with your test, then just cruise back on your trt dose again etc, I know your younger but there is a lounge in the forums for trt etc, you can find extremely valuable information in there ill bet!!! have you had children yet???? I reckon you should do the mega pct and get your self back, I think its worth it bro, look for gymchemists post, its called- my fertility journey, its really good read, from infertile to getting his misses knocked up!! you should try what he done!!
nah no children yet i dont have any plans for kids to be honest.but i think at the end off the year i might have ago at a mega pct,whats the worst that can happen go back on trt lol....ill keep you updated!
just to make sure after doing a mega pct i might just dump a load in the sperm bank
lol
obv if i could go back in time i would off stopped my self even thinking about using steroids at such a young age,now i have to live with my mistakes
UFOThanks for that. Did doc TRT you because you had natural low Test levels? Or had you run AAS prior to being 21? Anyway, since you are on TRT bro, go for the blast and cruise. Just cycle normally and then go back to 150-200mg of test ew until you cycle again! You should keep most of your gains if you have a consistant diet. If you run the same AAS too long your just going to burn your receptors out and need to constantly up the dosage. Might want to check out the TRT section here on the forums
"burning receptors out" is total myth, no science to support this.
thanks for the advice.i got put on trt because i messed around with aas at a young age not having any idea what i was doing and now im paying the price for it
Same here. I produce no testosterone naturally at all. You tell the young ones and u get this glazed over look. Won't happen to me, they think . . .
My thoughts are creep this forum and then tell all the other guys around your age what happens when they fuck around with juice at a young age. There seems to be a huge incline in 18-24 year olds doing massive amounts of the stuff.
i was your typical 17 year old thinking if i took 500mg of test a week i would wake up the next morning looking like arnold ooooooooo boy was i wrong...i see it all the time now people who dont even workout who just jump straight on the juice,theres too much bullshit on the internet,ive got a mate off mine whos been working out for a good few years and hes just started his 1st cycle he only took 250mg off test e a week he gained over 8lb solid for me thats good on such a low dose and hes asking why he has not gained 30lbs off muscle like he read on the internet soooo now hes (sure) his gear is fake haah
Definitely stick to your trt doses when not on cycle. Do not try and run multiple compounds year round. It's waste of gear and your body. Temptation is very high; try to avoid it like the plague. 250mg of test and gains are not unheard of if your diet is on point. In this game it's not about how much you can take; it's about how little you can take and still make big gains.
Great advice. I'm on 250 a week and I'm making slow, but steady gains, which was my goal. Diet is a huge part of it as we'll. More is not usually better when it comes to gear.