posted Wed, 12/18/2013 - 17:42
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Boldenone Cyponate vs. Testosterone---The Free/bound conversion conversation
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It seem the info at the beginning of this post was getting people caught up in the weeds about minutia. Since the responsibility of communication is on the communicator, I will own that shit and get rid of the preamble. Here is the topic at hand.
1) How would 600mg of test compare to 600mg of EQ in the body as it relates to raising testosterone above the physiological range? Would taking 600mg of EQ create a supraphysiological range equivalent to 5x-6x normal as you would with test? Half that? Thoughts?
2) If one were to run bound/free testosterone blood work, what do you think it would be?
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" How would 600mg of test compare to 600mg of EQ in the body as it relates to raising testosterone above the physiological range?"
EQ is not testosterone. It will not show up as testosterone on bloodwork. It will suppress your own testosterone levels. So to answer your question you would end up in the hypogonadal range if you were to take a blood test.
"If one were to run bound/free testosterone blood work, what do you think it would be?"
EQ, like all androgens would suppress your SHBG but since you would have very little testosterone (due to suppression from the EQ) there would be very little free test.
EQ will shut you down, after all it still is test.
RustyhookerChemically eq is not test. It's a dht tweaked. Chemical differences are very different.
It's actually not dht at all, nor is it derived from it or converted to it. Like some of us that's been here a while, I've thought it was for so long. There used to be an AAS profile on it that claimed dht derivative. It's since been removed. Do a quick search on it and here's the facts you'll find:
It's testosterone derived, not dht. It still converts to estro, but only at a small percentage, unlike dht's which do not aromatize at all. The only similarity to dht is that it is subject to chemical reduction via the 5a-r enzyme. Except, it's reduced to dihydroboldenone rather that dihydrotestosterone (dht).
RustyhookerAhhh....correct sir!
heres a really good article about it. And the fact it was the very 1st chemically created testosterone.
http://www.steroidal.com/steroid-profiles/equipoise/
Darron614I'm confused guys... Is there really any question that Test would not be totally shut down??
Unless somehow EQ is not suppressive and we never knew it this whole time.
Hi bro,
This topic has come up a few times recently and I'm not Prof. Einstein nor do I need remedial courses on high school basics either.
My question is "so what?" If you can use it as a base - is it cheaper? is it healthier? does it make room in my rig for other more important stuff?
It kind of strikes me like when someone discovered you could get all the vitamin C you needed from limes instead of lemons.
What is the break through advantage? Please don't yell at me if I missed it. Show some compassion please. I'm just not feeling up to combat today. LOL
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GearHead
I guess the benifits are for weight restricted athletes ...
If they can run eq without test they could( in theory, benifits greatly from results..increase in stamina, strength, appetite etc with out gaining that easy weight from test?)
Also for cutting would you not benifits from eq only if test was not shut down ?
Just my speculation I didn't take the theoretical anabolics class my senior year if college, that shit wat at 7am...ain't no body got time for that!
Haha, your good brother! No combat here, just trying to share ideas with something I dont have experince with, and this is compounds being ran without test.
The question is---how would EQ interact in the body with no testosterone? How would 600mg of test compare to 600mg of EQ in the body as it relates to raising testosterone above the physiological range? Would taking 600mg of EQ create a supraphysiological range equivalent to 5x-6x normal as you would with test?
Has anyone at eroids tried it yet and gotton labs? My only concern is that EQ is not Test and Test does a bunch of stuff for us in the male body beside just increase protein synthesis and help build muscle tissue. I guess it would scare me to through plain old test to the curb and try to run my body on 1-Test Cyp that is a dht derived compound or plain old boldenone undecylenate. I guess someone has to do it and report back. I just don't have enough guts to not run any test at all and see how it affects my health. Just being honest. And, I am the perfect guinea pig. I'm a TRT patient and my body produces NO TEST WHATSOEVER. Yes, courtesy of steroid abuse and misuse when I was way to young to be messing around with chemicals.
Bold my man!!! (Pun intended) haha If your serious, you should start a thread about your experiment and get some further insights and then run that shit! Well clearly I am not a medical professional, but it seem there are others that would be very interested to talk about it.
this post makes no sense
STRUCTURE DOESN'T MEAN JACK SHIT they are nothing alike
RustyhookerWhat is oranges wrre actually.....pink? Or if pigs clucked?
You're comparing two different chemicals. Completely.....different. Add an extra molecule to H²O....get H²O² and try drinking it. You'll die.
I'd suggest you read Vikings post instead of rewriting it.
2) If one were to run bound/free testosterone blood work with just EQ as the base and a standalone, what do you think it would be?
RustyhookerI'd love to see bloods out of curiosity. Most definitly! I've run eq solo as noted on viikes forum with excellent results. And sex was off the hook. But as with all these chems we try.....it's not for everyone. Just like those folks who never get estro issues while others must run letro. But comparing 2 compounds as asked.....it can't be done. Chemically they're not the same.
I will be running bold again in a few months with either low or no test. BUT.....anyone with experience must know to keep prop on hand til test e/cyp kicks in just incase it drops their sex appetite.
Fast, where you at homie? Suggestion taken. Thoughts?
How about instead of 600mg a week try going smaller; 350-400 a week. You are still getting shut down anyways but why so high? That would be a pretty high dose to "test the effects." I'll be banging an EQ only cycle after my next one but I'm only going at 350 a week. No sense wasting gear if smaller doses get you what you need.
It doesn't compare at all. Two completely different compounds... True that it's a testosterone derivative, but every compound is derived from test in some shape or form. Also, you stated that it's only two molecules different from test. We have some chemistry majors in here, and I'm sure they can attest that even the slightest variation in a chemical structure can cause a drastic change. So, Boldenone and testosterone are similar in structure, yet completely different in nature.
Agreeded 100%, but what does that mean in practice? Thats what the form is all about homie ;-) You know anyone who has ran it alone and gotten bloods done?
Point I'm trying to make is that just because it's testosterone derived doesn't mean it will be disguised as test in a lab panel.
"It is just a few molecules different structurally from test, that changes how it actually interacts with the body--- significantly"
I am right there with you stud. Your preaching to the choir. The topic here is what does the TEST look like when only EQ is taken...? I have never ran it alone.. Thoughts on what free/bound test would look like vs just test?
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still would like for him to test it out.
Easy test. Run it alone for 6 weeks and then do blood work. See how your test levels are. The best thing would be if they where normal. The next best thing would be if they are high. The worst thing would be for them to be low. Be sure to do a pre blood test so you have a base line.
It will not kill you to run anything alone. Just might not be as good and sex might be out the window.
Agreed!
Agreed as well. But what do you think it would look like in the body as it relates to a stand alone and taking your test levels above normal ranges? Same or diffirent?
That is what you need to figure out. After wards report back and let us know what happened. I can tell you all about running tren alone. Except I never ran blood work. I wish i did. You never know you could have found the fountain of youth. Then again it could be a giant cock killer like I predict.