posted Mon, 10/23/2023 - 05:50
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What’s good, so there I was watching an interview of Phil Heath on YouTube, when it got said that some of these guys are running like 1750 MGS of test a week, wtf how is that possible??
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Thinking out loud here but if you keep the dosages in somewhat moderate ranges and take time off would you guys say your health is impacted but you bounce back or are we all fucking ourselves long term here?
Let’s get real, to a degree, yes we are doing damage. We all know that if we’re honest with ourselves. I do think we can majorly limit the damage by being sensible. Be smart about it, don’t be a big risk taker. Some of these youngsters now are doing crazy things. Don’t be that guy.
But I also believe that for me, and I can only really speak for myself here, the dedication and single mindedness I’ve put into the gym and the lifestyle has benefited me in so many other ways. I genuinely think I’m a better person for it. I don’t get aggressive with people, I don’t throw my weight about, if I have a shit day I take it out on the iron, not people. The gym has been great for me. Maybe not my wrecked shoulders but hey…..
Same yeah it really helps me get through the day knowing that whatever BS work/life throws my way I have the gym.
There’s people out there doing more. People are really pushing the limits on PEDs more and more now of days because they don’t believe in the risks that come with it.
Yes it’s possible, I’ve ran before. 3-5cc at one pin 3x’s a week. Advanced cycles only!! There’s a science to it.
Second 5cc pin I've seen ever.
1-1/2” pins also. When I went to 1” the “nurse” said what are these…. Lol
Lol @that nurse. Man I have some 1-1/2 needles. Been sitting in my closet for years collecting dust. I look at that needle and think hell noo, that extra 1/2 inch seems like a mile lol.
I’ll just add this to the equation. About 18 months ago I lost my best friend. I guy I’ve known since I was 10 years old, he was only 46. We started lifting together as kids and still did so whenever we could despite living a couple of hours apart. He regularly ran big doses of gear, did so probably since mid 30s. He was always a risk taker, I used to talk to him about it regularly. I was unfortunately part of the reason he did it, to catch up with me. As Deeman stated in the other thread he posted, he was always fighting against my better genetics, he tried to compensate with more gear. It didn’t work.
What it did do was possibly point him more down tge road of LVH, (thickened heart wall), and ultimately heart failure. Could happen to any of us, but he pushed the odds well against his favour and left teenage kids and a wife behind chasing a pipe dream. For most of us mere mortals, (me included), we’re never going to be Mr Olympia or worlds strongest man. Be smart, eat well, train hard and be the best you can be without taking too many big risks.
@Catalyst Damn I'm sorry to hear this. You know this hits home for me. I went through something very similar to your situation many years ago as a young buck. My workout buddy was young and reckless and I gotta be honest I do think I played a part in my buddies unfortunate situation.. I tried to tell him not to do this or that but I think I could of been way more aggressive with him and he at least would of thought about his decisions more. That never leaves me man.. That's a big reason why I am the way I am. If folks haven't been through our situation then they more than likely cannot relate to this nightmare. It's unfortunate. This stuff is serious business. Nothing to play with. Better be prepared
Sorry to hear you’ve had a similar situation mate. I often regret not being harsher with him, (I should have done this etc), but he was always the type that wound go to far, was the same when we were kids. Guessing your guy may well have been the same type? We can only do so much fella…..
Well in my case, you can call it paranoid, cautious or whatever but I was always careful about how I went about things. So we were totally opposite but that's what attracted us to each other I can only assume. Again we were younger guys. But he lived life on the edge so that's just what is was. I agree, after the fact we always say what we could or should of done. An older guy did tell me though...he said that regardless if it were me or someone else trying to help my buddy out, that the situation was bound to happen and there was nothing that I could of done. I thought about that statement and realized there was some truth to that. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Well said, I’m sorry to hear about your friend.
Heart Ejection Fraction is something I am hearing more and more about, more guys getting symptoms of it becoming lower. I believe its the first sign of heart problems and failure. I wonder if this is something guys ever get checked now and again, similar to bloodwork. Have you ever had yours checked or do you know what's involved?
Yes mate. As you know I have high BP and I have some thickening of the heart wall, possibly as a result of BP, possibly steroids, or most likely a bit of the both. Generally they’ll check with an ultrasound. Not causing me any problems at the moment, but quite probably will in the future. I intentionally don’t carry the same sort of size around anymore as a result.
I would imagine many of us have thicker/bigger hearts on here bud, is there any truth to the fact that if the heart has increased in size due to steroids and being worked - that when you come off gear or down to TRT that it can shrink back again the same as normal muscles do? Or is heart growth irreversible?
Irreversible in my understanding.
I prefer a stack over sheer milligrams. Chemicals that compliment eachother.
I've heard that said by an old member before. He was a Lil bitty rascal. Can't remember his name.
DobermannSTUPIDmg a week is the standard. just saying
Atta boy, encourage the young and stupid with comments like that. We have advanced groups for talk like that. It's not allowed in the forums. And as DeeMan asked, For who? Someone like sartre2?
https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/steroids/1gram-test-for-adhd
DobermannDude i am not encouraging
Why is he even posting such sensitive topics if we cant even tak about it
He should have posted in advanced group i agree
I got you sir my bad i wasnt thinking like that.
I wont loose anymore time in these forums thats for sure.
Jusus, grow up.
DobermannThumbs up
It has definitely turned into old men who think the young kids give two shitz about what we think…
We are now baby sitters
it's the internet and there' a search engine. why invite that scrutiny? And, from the prospective of a review site, would you want to have ANY legal hassle or negative optics?
I for one want eroids to live forever. Only site i visit.
So whatever rules keeps us on the up & up
O yeah? For who? Pros? I ask because I've heard alot of different dosages.
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Well you mentioned an exact high dosage and there are advanced groups that discuss high dosages etc. Man newbies or youngsters WILL DO anything so I'm hesitant to even mention an exact high dose used by others in the open. I've seen first hand how young bucks take that and will run with it and will eventually f_ck themselves up. Not a matter of if but when. I'm serious.
DobermannOkay bro got ya
Its my bad didnt think about that.
"These guys" are probably not IFBB PRO. With any compound you will hit soon or later that max dosage you can handle. From my experience and from other HONNEST IFBB Pro once you pass the 1250mg or 1500mg you will have way too much side effect. You better find the max dosage you can handle without any ai, then with ai. Or better the sweet spot and THEN you can add something like primo at high or very high dose. Most of the pros are in the 750-1250mg range. No higher than that. Never forger it's testosterone PLUS ANABOLICS. Test only is too much side effects. Once they combine both they will be in the 1500-2500mg total per week. Food is what make them HUGE ! Not drugs. Food, fantastic genetics, crazy work ethic, sprinkled with the perfect dosage and combination of AAS that work for them. It takes LONG TIME to build huge physique. Bodybuilding is a marathon and if your health is not perfect you ain't building absolutely nothing.
You are correct years and years, it’s a science.
Its actually VERY common. And people are going to continue to lie about dosages because everyone is so quick to judge. Although i dont agree on crazy dosages. Lets be real. The size competitors have now are crazy, you aint taking 400mg of test and competing in any ifbb class. 1 person lies about only taking 500mg of test and being an ifbb pro. So when they ask the next person, they feel embarrassed saying what they really took because someone else said they basically took nothing to achieve the same thing..
Well that's true guys will continue to lie, that's just the way it is. I tend to see things how they are and with that said there are guys who don't have to lie about anything simply because of pure genetics, now they are the minority I get that, but still I have to be fair. Some of the ole school bodybuilders were just blessed with good genetics. Those guys looked way better than the bodybuilders today look and they absolutely used less gear. So in my opinion it makes guys like them look like liars when in reality they're not. It's just a bad overall look. Seems like guys tend to forget hard work and genetics and focus more on super high gear dosages.
@MurderHornet2020 you mentioned below that some guys can tolerate huge doses and you're right and there are other guys like myself who can't tolerate anything close to those dosages, and that's the truth. I'm seriously still in shock as to how those guys can use many grams but hey like you said it's genetics. It's a blessing and a curse though if you really take the time to think about it. I've said this many times, most bodybuilders back in the day didn't use the high dosages that guys use nowadays and in my opinion they looked better. That in itself drives me.
I definitely prefer the golden era look myself. I always thought I had the body frame of like Frank Zane so he was my ideal.
Frank was the most aesthetic ever!
Dangerous!! Even 500mgs feels high to me
Yeah, on 500 now and my training partner is always like dam dude you’re getting big. Granted I do not think I’m at my natural potential but still.
I can understand.
When I run higher doses of anabolics my cardio suffers a lot and feel a lot more moody. I believe that the sweet spot for test is on the lower side
Yes moodiness starts to kick in for sure. I like to feel good on cycle.
Dumb M’fers!!!!
Many guys use mega grams and in reality you wouldn't know it because they look like they're on basic 500mg test only cycles...I've seen this many times. Just causing more damage than growth ...dumb like you said.
Genetics play a big part in this roid game period!
They’re out of their minds, and I completely agree, genetics have a lot to do with it.
@JakeKO that's Ronnie Coleman's 70 plus year old mom. R.IP.
GENETICS +HARD WORK+GEAR.....Not all gear. That pic says it all!
Hey deeman back when you where 21 and someone said you could make 100,000 a month workingout taking juice would you have done it. And we all know the big money is only there if you stay relevant and big
Honestly yeah I would. But as stupid as it sounds I'd still be cautious or "scary" because that's how I thought, no need for me to lie lol. 100,000 a month for a 21yr old kid is alot of money. But this is the important thing..is all that money worth you compromising your health? To me no! Not even close.