What do you think about my cycle ?
Ok i am 26 . 6.16 and 224 LB , i am huge not fat but huge , i am doing bodybuilding for more than 6 years , i used once a cycle before which was very stupid cycle and i didnt gain much with that , i am trying to go for competition so i am trying to bulk as much as possible ,
this is first real cycle : tell me what do you think
Week------Testosterone-Cypionate----Deca-Durabolin----Dianabol
1---------400mg----------------------200m-----------30mg Every Day
2---------400mg----------------------200m-----------30mg Every Day
3---------400mg----------------------200m-----------30mg Every Day
4---------400mg----------------------200m-----------30mg Every Day
5---------400mg----------------------200m-----------30mg Every Day
6---------400mg----------------------200m-----------30mg Every Day
7---------400mg----------------------200m-----------
8---------400mg----------------------200m-----------
9---------400mg----------------------200m-----------
10---------400mg---------------------200m-----------
11---------400mg----------------------
12---------400mg---------------------
Post-cycle
Week-----hCG---------------------------------------------Nolvadex
1-------350IU/e d-----------------------------------------
2-------350IU/ed (the first 3 days of the week only)------40mg/ed
3---------------------------------------------------------40mg/ed
4---------------------------------------------------------20mg/ed
5---------------------------------------------------------20mg/ed
However i cant find HCG is there any alternative for HCG ? and i have never used hcg before is way of inject hcg same with testosterone do you inject it in muscle and do use same needle or different for HCG ?
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AnonYou should also consider having some blood work done before cycle, four weeks in and after. This way you'll know where your blood levels are and what to do if need be. I ran a test cycle as prescribed below but didn't have AI on hand so I had to cut it short. i Could have had some huge gains if I did. So, make sure that you have everything you need before you start your cycle. Preferably the one detro laid out below, but that's your choice. I think you'll see some real solid gains if you follow it to the letter along with a good diet and rest. Keep us posted my man and GET BIG!!!!! all the best
like all the other guys said below DIET-TRAINING-REST comes first but becuase you are so gun ho on running a cycle this should be your first
1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week split
Start PCT 15 days after last shot
Clomid 100/100/50/50
NOVA 40/40/20/20
GET A AI IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS RESEARCH AND NO DECA TILL U FIND OUT WHAT A A.I IS AND CABER TILL THEN STAY AWAY
castroajHowever i was very positive about that cycle but since all you guys suggesting me i shouldnt go with that cycle i am going to change it and i trust with what you guys telling me and i will stick with cycle u guys advice me to have !
1-12 test e
My question for this cycle :
Do i need to have adex for this cycle ?
How much gains i can expect ?
for post cycle is nova for 4 weeks enough !
thanks again everyone for their suggestions
Have letro on hand as well just in case. Adex should be enough for a test cycle but still its a good idea to have it on hand because you don't know how your body is going to react to all the estrogen, and if gyno develops you need to be able to kill it off.
Yes u need to have adex on hand
as to how much gains you will get that's on your diet and training
and your pct needs to look like this not just nova
Clomid 100/100/50/50
NOVA 40/40/20/20
You have him tight bro.. with run and PCT now..nice work +3 man
thanks bro hey it took all of us to change his mind and do it the right way
YEP sometimes its like an EQ run bro slow and steady before the result comes LOL.
castroajisn't little too much to have both for post-cycle .. i just found same article with test e like what u told me but for post-cycle he has different method ...
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performanc...
I am glad u r looking stuff up now bro but if u diet and train right and do the pct I wrote out for u you will keep your gains good luck with every thing
castroajW 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD (reduce to 0.125mg EOD in last week)
PCT Option 1 (SERM PCT)
W 13 Nolva 20mg 2x/d or Clomid 50mg 2x/d
W 14-16 Nolva 20mg/d or Clomid 25mg/d
buddy what do u think about this cycle ..
this is same article that i sent u link !
this guy is saying to take adex from first day of cycle is this right?
Go twelve Weeks. Test e is long ester and reall begins pumping size at week 8 then your done at 10. And by stopping at 12 you got the good gains but not too long the shutdown is super hard.
Pct...there is no OR involved. You do it correctly or you lose your testicular function and lose all your gains. Down below is THE only and proper way to do it correct. Do Not get cheap on pct as it means everything to having a normal life!
Adex from day 1......that guy is a moron! You get liw estro pains your gonna hate life. Read pct/ai forums.
AnonHey Fast, would it not be better to run aromasin due the possible estro rebound w/ adex on long cycle??? Or am I completely off base here??
castroajwhat about starting AI from week 3 ?
hell yea! would give you + if i could for being receptive to advice given. detroitnate has your pct lined up perfectly. you definitely need to have aromasin or adex on hand...also iron out your diet before you start
Caber.......aromasin...
castroajhttp://www.steroid.com/Novice-Steroid-Cycles-II.php
i just found almost exactly same cycle that i am planning in here too!
Lol, and look what i found: http://www.buysteroidsuk.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&p...
I got my first cycle from them. Can't believe how little i knew:(
zewiWell that's just find an dandy.. But you still don't have an AI--You have no idea how deca is going to effect you or Dbol. You really have only ran one cycle. But hell like viking said--if you want to run it run it..
I have no idea why--you asked when you already were going to run it regardless.
Similar minds bro..you read the thread exactly like me :(
IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH YOUR CHOICE OF CYCLE BRO THEN THE PLAIN SIMPLE ANSWER IS TO GO AHEAD AND RUN IT... GOOD LUCK AND ENJOY THE RIDE:)
castroajThis is what i wanted that some pro answer me
,thanks my man . i just want to know if with this cycle i can use different Post cycle instead HCG because i cant find hcg ..? thanks again
Bro.. i have run 54 successful cycles ALL without HCG you do not need it my man at your level... concentrate on running the compound properly and getting pinning techniques spot on... like other guys here have said DIET is key to results be it your first run or your hundreth... DIET,TRAINING,REST is the holy grail... i suggest the cycle should consist of test E only 250mg 2 times pr wk for 12 weeks,THIS WILL GIVE RESULTS if all other things are done correctly.
castroajthanks alot my man
zewiKEY WORD...."GOOD LUCK"
X2 bro
...Good Luck
zewiYOU DONT NEED HCG!!!!
Is that 6-6 tall? You're not huge at the stats given. Need prior cycles to get ya huge.
castroajNo 6.16 , Its 1.86 with European height i am not sure with american measurement but its should be 6.16 . Im not huge and i need cycle !,Ok that s what i m trying to do nw !
I'm 12lbs heavier and half an inch shorter. I'm not huge....
Zewi has the good cycle for ya. You'll blow up great with fresh receptors. Play added a great pct for ya. Test is king so get swole!
zewiHCG--is better used during cycle. You no HCG converts to estro.
I see no AI when on cycle--
Also what is your cycle history?
"i used once a cycle before which was very stupid cycle"
So really this is your first cycle.
so it should be a test only cycle.
1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week
4-12 Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD---12.5mg ED if nipples are sore.
start pct 15 days after last shot.
Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
castroajNo i stopped dbol but i didnt stop test , i i injected almost for 10 weeks test p or i am not sure test c ! with clomid therapy after that , and i found it with very stupid so this time i really don't want to go with only test injection , this was same process i had 2 years ago ,when i was coming to forum and asking people they were all telling me for first cycle do only Test , and when i was talking to some real pro bodybuilder about my cycle they all laughed at me and they were making fun at my cycle about this Only TEST cycle but i was thinking because they wanna sell more steroids to me perhaps they are lying that my cycle is not good,and i decided to do something in middle test and dbol i had to stop dbol because it was bad quality but i did test 10 weeks without stop and it didnt do anything , so this time i dont wanna do same mistake again ..
If you didn't grow that'd because it was fake. Common first cycle with folks knowing food and gym put on 15-20. My first cycle i put on 18lbs with only 250mgs/week. Thats the difference between great test and bunk. This site has good resellers.
castroajno my diet was wrong i knw it now
castroajdbol was fake but i am sure test that i had was not fake and i got it from pharmacy ... but didnt work for me so this time i wanna go with something different and not only test
Pharmacy test and couldnt grow? Did you use your ai and high protein intake? Diabetes? Health issues? Non responsive to test.....seems odd. :( And no, you dont need tons of compounds to grow. If you can't grow on test....somethings very wrong.
castroajno my diet was wrong i knw it now
That completely makes sence. Its all learning bro. There's food gurus on here too. Food builds the competitor....the gear is aspirin. If you lower food after cycle ya lose the gains.
castroajYes , that`s right but now i am in United states and before i was in Europe there is big difference between food and supplements here and Europe so now i have this advantage of using better and cheaper supplements and food in USA which we didn't have this chance in Europe because food and supplements are so expensive and not good quality in Europe , i buy protein in here for 30$ while in Europe i was paying for same 130$
castroajYeah i mentioned that , I had very similar cycle in Europe , but there was no deca - and i guess i had propionate and dbol without good diet and i had allergy to dbols which i think it was very bad quality so i had to stop it ... and this back to 2 years ago that was my first cycle , but i stopped it , so somehow this can be my first cycle i guess
What's your BF%?
I would suggest this for a perfect first cycle:
Week 1-12 Test E @500mg/wk split
Arimidex 0.25mg every 3 days OR Aromasin 12.5mg EOD - starting no later than week 3
I would suggest that your PCT looks something like this:
Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
You may consider running Aromasin @ 6.25mg EOD on Weeks 1-4 if you feel 12.5mg is too strong.
Zewi's just had some blood tests, and it turns out that recovery is speedier and there are far less PCT side effects - " everything points to a much faster recover with little loss, in what you gained"
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/gcz%E2%80%99s...
I personally do not use hCG for any cycle where it's length is under 12 weeks, but that's my personal preference.
castroajMy bodyfat not sure but i m lean and dont have much body fat ... whats wrong with my cycle that u suggest me to change it!this cycle was used by lot of athletes like phill heath , Coleman and cutler
LMAO
- The pro's may use a slighly different approach - (http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/pro-dosages-part-2.)
"this is first real cycle" - With little cycle experience and knowledge about AAS compounds how will you know how your body reacts to each compound?
dbol and deca sides, nothing to combat prolactin, no ai, and pct is incomplete. if you havnt run just test before and you have problems how will you know what compound is causing them?
Need prior cycle experience. Whens competition?
ai? no deca and dbol for sure...your pct needs adjustment too