posted Wed, 07/25/2012 - 08:56
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Second cycle advice plz
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Stat: 26y 205lbs 6'1
First cycle: 12weeks Long
Every 3rd day 300mg test e + 250ui hcg
Week 14 pct start: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Blood test: Before,during, after
Gained 15lbs solid muscle yeahhhh!!!
Sides was moderate only back acne thats why I didnt used AI at all during cycle.
Right now doing pct 2 more weeks. then take off 16weeks break....
Thinking about my second cycle...
Kick start 1000mg test e first week then
I will use for sure test e 400mg + 250ui Hcg every 3rd day ( hcg really helped my kids recover on first cycle)
So every week 800mg test e and 500ui hcg...
Also Thinking about add something new like Deca or EQ
I need advice about this.
I dont want to use oral at all....
Pct will be same as my first cycle. ( nolva 40/40/20/20 )
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tread-mGsxr took you to perfection IMO a couple below. I didn't get to really read the whole thread cuz once the kiddo shit starts I kinda quit reading! Lol.... You can't beat perfect and if you are doing your job in the gym and especially the kitchen you likely trump the first cycle with it.
LOOK!!!!...... ARGUING ON THE INTERNET IS LIKE COMPETING IN THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS........EVEN IF YOU WIN, YOU'RE STILL RETARDED.
First off, I have frontloaded as much as 2,000 mg. of AAS. I'm not taking sides here, but all things must be considered. I used high doses from my very first cycle....but I had a reason------I was 48 and had been training for 30 years.
Find your sweet spots....in diet........in training.......in rest.....and in gear. No two are the same......and no two people are the same.
zewiI raged in this thread if offended anyone I apologize.
Im just passionate about this shit, and making sure people do it correctly.
Lol, this place can be crazy. It's a forum for very very hormonal & driven people:) As long as we can all laugh about it in the end
400mg every 3 days is not 800 ew for a start. I think that's too much test for a second cycle.
The test eq cycle is a good one but quite long for a second IMO (16 weeks for eq then a further 2 extra weeks test e=18 weeks on).
I would at this point stick to test but add prop;
Test prop @150 eod weeks 1-4
Test e @600 ew weeks 1-12
Test p @ 100 eod weeks 13&14
Pct of nolva AND clomid 3 days after last prop injection
Run hcg twice a week @250ui weeks 4-14 (optional as some don't like it)
Ai of your choosing at a level that works for you.
This may not look like a lot more than before but the length of time you will feel on will be longer.
Work your diet and smash the gym will give you big results.
tread-m"PERFECT" SECOND RIGHT THERE BROTHER.
Thanks buddy
frankie-fix1weeks 1-4 100mgs test prop eod
weeks 1-12 500mgs test e per week
weeks 9-14 75mgs var ed (very mild) or 100mgs mast prop eod :-)
weeks 1-14 0.5mg adex eod
that would be a nice little second cycle for you
I wouldn't add two new compounds at the same time on a second cycle. The var would be enough IMO if disrupted cardio was ok by him.
Yeah im 100%on ur side
1 extra compound /cycle good for me.
frankie-fix1its only one bro :-)
var OR mast :-)
Then you are bang on sir. Allow me to go and hang my head in shame;(
frankie-fix1haha no shame bro as you were right in what you were saying about not adding two new compounds to second cycle :-)
Solid gains zewi gotcha lined up! I stop my eq 2Weeks before test because eq has longer chain. Dont frontliad long cycles as they cause recepters to shutdown.
zewiYou don’t need a Kick start of 1000mg of TEST E that is a waste more doesn’t mean better. If you do a kick starts its with something like Dbol or test prop. Not 1000mg of TEST E…
Nice and simple just for you…
Cycle—
1-16 Test E @500mg a week (Monday/thrusday)
1-16 EQ @ 400mg a week (Monday/thrusday)--you can go up to 600mg if you want
Arimidex .25mg e3d to keep bloating down and estrogen in check go to .5mg e3d if nipples become sensitive, or .5mg ed.
If you have HCG 500iu a week
PCT 15 days after last shot take Arimidex up until you start PCT.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
frankie-fix115 days after last shot of eq is too soon bro it has a longer ester life than 15 days
He could mess up his recovery if he takes that advise as he will still have active hormones releasing into his blood system .
zewiActive life: for eq is 15 days---starting on day 15 is ok.. but to make you feel better start on day 16.. is that better?
frankie-fix1in fact its 14 days buddy but your getting confused with half life and total ester life
half life is long long it takes for half of the injected compound to leave the body so in effect the total ester life for eq to totaly leave the blood system is 28 days
zewiIm done you win.. you make the fucking cycle for him
frankie-fix1why get offensive?
your cycle had mistakes and i was correcting those mistakes ,you dont start pct 15 days after your last eq shot bro thats a fact buddy .
not intending to be offensive or make you look like you dont know what your talking about but you were wrong on that piece of advise you gave him thats all
zewilike i said fine have him start his PCT 30 days after last shot.. if that makes him feel better. and you.
frankie-fix1ITS NOT A FACT OF MAKEING HIM OR ME FEEL BETTER MAN ITS A FACT OF STARTING PCT WHEN ALL THE ACTIVE HORMONE IS OUT YOUR SYSTEM NOT WHEN HALF THE HORMONE IS OUT LOL...
zewiOral steroids Drug Active half-life
Anadrol / Anapolan50 (oxymetholone) 8 to 9 hours
Anavar (oxandrolone ) 9 hours
Dianabol (methandrostenolone , methandienone) 4.5 to 6 hours
Winstrol (stanozolol )
(tablets or depot taken orally) 9 hours
Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Deca -durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 14 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day
Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 2 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days
Ancillaries Drug Active half-life
Arimidex 3 days
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Clomid 5 days
Cytadren 6 hours
T3 10 hours
Supernova283This has false info.
http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/content/abstract/19/6/761
More reputable source right here says undecanoate has half life of 18.3 days. Your source is a british bodybuilding site.
CleyonYou just used the data I got for you! I'm so proud! (they grow up so fast)
Supernova283Yes I did. And you know I didn't even think to source you.
My bad.
CleyonLOL, no problem, I'll just look back and smile when you are elevated to the hight of 1000 karma, and I remain down here unable to crack 20.
frankie-fix1yes ?
Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Undecanoate 16.5 days
THATS HALF LIFE
NOT FULL ESTER LIFE
zewilike i said you win.. start PCT 21 days......
tread-mHe makes a semi-valid point and realistically with some comounds you want your test rolling 2 weeks longer such as eq or deca for example. In that case your pct begins 14/15 days after last pin. In your set up I'd simply drop eq after 14 or carry test out to 18 and everything else remains the same in your roll IMO.
Supernova2831000mg @ half life X = 500mg after X amount of time + 500mg with another half life = 500mg ...
500mg @ half life X = 250 +500 with another half life = 375 + 500 /2 = 437.5 ...
More stable to do a double shot first as the half life wears out. That way your test stabilizes quickly and you won't get a rise in hormone levels which spikes then drops and spikes a little less then drops till it averages out. you'll just get a spike and stay there.
Not a waste. Smart.
Just sayin.
zewiOMG—im going to rage—holy mother of god help please help me…
This is his second cycle, not 10th. There is a reason for it sure science is science. But you’re not here to blow the doors off; ---and to even make it work correctly he has to give himself 1000mg over a week—he cannot do 500mg on Monday and 500mg on Thursday. That is pointless. He would have to do it over a 5 day period to make a front load work correctly. It doesn’t change how it is broken down. It is what it is.
Again. Keep it simple it’s his second cycle you’re not talking to a pro..
you being in here givin advice is like going to the fucking plumber for a tooth pulled... best to give advice when you have exp with using compounds... i dont frontload either spose that makes me wrong too... oh well best just sit here and polish my heap of trophys thinking ... i wish i had taken that kid who never used advice!
Frontloading is a waste ember. Your cycle is????? Ever cycled before??
Supernova283Nah numbers check out.
There's no way you could prove that this way doesn't produce more stable test levels without getting a blood test done at least every week.
Running a cycle doesn't give you numbers.
Basically you're trying to fight logic with nothing. Unless you got something to back up your theory of frontloading being a waste your opinion really doesn't mean much.
Bro science isn't real world. Overfilling the receptors....then a sudden drop instigates side effect because fluctuations in hormones. Frontloading 6-8 week cycles....yes. Not long cycles
Supernova283It's not bro science. It's general chemistry and biochem 1.
a single drop in hormone levels is probably not going to instigate as much of an effect as multiple rises and drops in an oscillating manner.
You can downvote me as much as you want. Somehow I consistently stay positive.
Look lets call a truce here..this is constant with you.. call us all dummies we can take it then move your ass to some extreme science site that would suit you best! just let us dummies keep doing our dummie thing.... ok you win now just FUCK OFF.
As a pro what u think about the extra compond ?
Deca, eq or something else?
zewilook above i posted a cycle with EQ
Glad this thread has been cleaned up! bro i would suggest you go with the EQ that is a fine choice for second cycle...the guys above have it right for you thats the reason i wasnt in here earlier ok... great lean gains with near zero sides imo .. have a good cycle eat well,train hard,then rest like a dead man lol that will make you grow.
frankie-fix1the problem with eq imo is that it needs to be run for 14 weeks plus to get the very best from it and this in tern means test for 16 weeks leading to harsh hpta shut down .
your right about eq giving great gains and low sides but the downside is the length it needs to be ran .
i much prefer to add a DHT in a cycle around week 9-14 as DHT,S give real good lean muscle and hardness
if useing eq for 14 weeks and test for 16 weeks thats 18 weeks be4 the ester clears and pct start time ,4 weeks pct = 22 week cycle/pct all in all
at his age i think thats too long imo .
just my thoughts on the situation
True 22weeks sounds to long after my 18weeks cycle
What about deca ? 600test and 400 deca + 500ui hcg for 12weeks ?
Is t it better then 16weeks eq +test ?
I was going off the cycle zewi wrote up for him earlier... i think he has it running 16wks which is fine by me... i understand your DHT addition but it jumps him into 3 compounds... his choice at end of day bro i suppose.
frankie-fix1yeah bro true true was just trying to educate him about the effects of long cycles and a harder recovery :-)
Good advice bro but it seems lately from the latest posts old fashioned bread and butter 10/12 wk cycles are of no interest to our new breed lmao! the amount of PMs i get from folks asking can i extend another 2/4/6 wk is becomining more and more lol i even get asked regularly can i stay ON all year! mad but true.
Considering ending cycle advice and just sticking with training and diet to keep it real.
This is funny, I was just wondering to myself this morning how long this troll would last.
Its hard to post a real cycle when troll jumps in.
Wrong yet again. This is why a test prop kicker is used later on. Kicker! Not frontloading!
Any mods yet catch this is ember the arguer?? Banned twice under ember and supernova. 130lbs....have you cycled? Are you in the gym? Your bad advice will HURT PEOPLE
Supernova283Uh yeah I'm pretty sure that since Goth msged me and asked me whether I wanted to use my ember account or supernova account that they realize that.