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+ 1 Labored breathing on pct- updated with bloodwork

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UPDATE: FOLLOW UP BLOOD PANEL IN COMMENTS
UPDATE: BLOOD PANEL IN COMMENTS
This is my first post, I've posted this on another forum, waiting for approval. I've lurked for a while and decided to join when I couldn't find advice for a situation quite like mine. There are a lot of variables involved. It's part log, part questions
If you read this whole thing, thank you. If you want to skip to the basic screw-ups I need help with, I'll put an asterisk where things are most pertinent. Any constructive advice is welcome, even the advice I may not want to hear.

My history: I'm 30 yrs, 5'10, 244, around 13%bf, living in Texas. I lift weights 5x/week, been lifting since 17. I train bjj 5x/week since 19. I demand a lot from my body and wanted more out of it so after what I thought was enough research (years of reading around forums, trying to gain a working knowledge) and some over enthusiastic encouragement from an older friend, I decided to do my first real cycle. Since 26, I've done epistane-only, epi/halo, var-only, and proviron cycles with little to no issues that I know of. Stupid wastes of time.
After a var only cycle ending before summer '17 ending in lackluster results, I decided to do a real test cycle, and now that's what I'm coming off of and having issues with.

*Cycle: 12 weeks of test cyp 500/week, 2x250, no ancillaries added. Going into and early in the cycle I used ghrp, igf des, mechano growth factor, and caffeine/ephedrine. Afterwards, I switched thermogenics without taking a break.

I've always been a heavy caffeine and stimulant user. Ephedrine, synephrine, PEA, DMAA, etc.
I came off ephedrine and caffeine onto a synephrine/pea thermogenic mid cycle and took it for about 8 weeks, ending around a week or two before the end of my cycle.

When quitting caffeine I tend to get a little depressed, something I conveniently forgot before starting my cycle. I recently learned another possible side effect of quitting caffeine cold turkey is theophylline withdrawal, aka asthma-like symptoms.

Last pin was Wednesday the 27th of December. PCT started 18 days later, the 7th of January. Nearing the end of my cycle, last two weeks of pinning and a week or so after that I took HCG 200iu daily on the advice of some people in a forum along with research chem Aromasin at 6.5mg/day. Didn't really notice anything one way or another, size wise. Loads were runnier, though.

*Planned PCT:
Clomid 50/50/50/25
Super Clomid (enclomiphene): 50/25/25/25
Nolva 20/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5
Thermogenic daily, krill oil.

*Actual PCT by days since I started
Clomid 50/50/50/50/0/50/50/0
Super clomid 50/50/50/50/0/0/0/0
Nolva 20/20/20/20/0/0/0/0
Aromasin 12/12/12/25/0/0/0/0

Clomid is well known china pharm grade, off-white pills, some have some blueish spots. I don't know if I can name the brand, so I won't.
The other three are research chems from the same source as the peptides.
I was also taking a thermo with DMAA and eating low carb to keep the fat off while resetting. I later learned that's not the way to pct.

*Here's where my troubles started.
Sunday,-Tuesday I started to feel a little different, softer, emotional, calmer, less sharp. Still manageable.

Wednesday, I woke up in a hurry, accidentally took double the aromasin along with everything else, started having trouble getting a satisfying breath in the car on my way to work. I thought I calmed down for a while, tried to work out, feeling came back, stopped lifting, went home. Aromasin overdose? Not so likely. Anxiety, panic attack? Maybe. I had to lay in a certain position for my lungs to feel like they were opening enough. Couldn't go back to work, couldn't go to jits.

Thursday, I took nothing. Just krill oil. No caffeine. Felt calmer, but still not great, went to work and still had to focus on my breathing.

Friday, got back on pharma clomid only, 50 mg. Tried a leg work out, same issue. Felt great at first, low reps, high weight, then everything was just telling me to stop. Started getting emotional, crying, texting exes, par for the course, from what I've read.

Saturday, 50mg clomid in the morning. My friend came over and eventually I was so uncomfortable that I had her take me to the urgent care and disclosed everything. Doc said I'm probably going through "steroid crisis" and sent me to hospital.
Get to hospital, ekg is normal, everything is normal, bloods, HR, 130/80, nothing showing up on X rays or anything. That's good news.

*BP 145/94 on my left arm while sitting. Moved it to my right arm higher up and got 130/80.
SPO2 98%
Pulse 61
Temp 97.8 (Tympanic)
Resipirations 16
*Tests they performed
CBC w auto differential, CK, CKMB, cardiac monitoring, comprehensive metabolic panel, *cortisol, d-dimer quantitative, *free t4, lipase, NT-proBNP, protime-INR, pulse oximetry, *TSH, troponin I, x ray chest 2 view

Doc says it's probably anxiety and side effect of clomid, which I knew was possible. My anxiety is real, but my breathing issue seems more real than just anxiety-induced. Dr tells me to stop taking clomid, writes me a script for 6 day prednisone course for "adrenal crisis" and xanax. Probably won't take the xanax.

That night was so uncomfortable I couldn't sleep. Eventually gave up trying and I drove to a 24hr pharmacy to get the script filled. Got home, managed to pass out, felt my temperature change in my sleep, got hot, heart started going in a positive way, felt like I wasn't running on empty, stopped shivering.

Granted, it's only been my first dose of prednisone, and symptoms have improved, but they always feel ok in the morning. The afternoon is when things really go up and down. Second dose coming up soon. I have stopped taking clomid.

Last variable to throw in this mix is that I went out the Saturday night before I started pct. Nothing too crazy, but I never go out. Drinks and smoked a friends 6mg nicotine vape, completely forgetting why I threw my vape away in the first place; I kept getting upper respiratory infections from it, both mild and serious. I'm not a regular nicotine user or drinker.

Morning woods were strangely good til Friday. Even now, I can coax it to attention, but the urge isn't there. Par for the course, I know.

Sorry for the long post. I wanted to be as detailed as possible, because there are some smart folks on here. I know I sound like a scared 20 year old, but I'm not. I'm a scared 30 year old who clearly wasn't ready to handle this shit.

*With all this considered, I believe my biggest mistakes (other than doing the cycle to begin with) were taking stimulants throughout the cycle, smoking the vape, and taking too much clomid, in fact, taking any research clomid at all.

*Any advice on getting through this would help. A big question is, considering depression and asthma symptoms are a common withdrawal symptom of caffeine, should I start back on a small amount of caffeine? Usual dose is 200mg, I was thinking 50-100mgs. I understand caffeine can also contribute to the anxiety, but at this stage I don't know if it will cause it or alleviate it.

*Should the breathing issues subside, would there be any point in getting back on clomid, 25mg for 3 weeks? Is it possible, albeit unlikely that I kick-started my recovery well enough to avoid getting back on it? Should I switch to the research chem nolva/aromasin since they have much, much shorter half lifes?
I've never taken xanax and I'm worried about coming off it and throwing another variable into the mix.
Also my appetite has not been big despite the prednisone dose.
Are there any options I'm not seeing? Any supps in the meantime for depression or natural test boosters? Should I try to see a urologist?
Sorry again for the long post.

Bhavincy's picture

You shouldn't have your vape thrown away. Buy a new one and find some nicotine-free juices. Casual smoking is extremely destructive. Check these https://deliciousnimbus.com/collections/premium-e-juice.

Falamensia's picture

If you have a low level of LH/FSH then your primary function has failed and you are now dormant you need to get a new test for these values as a baseline if they come back low then you will need to start blasting hcg for 10 days while taking aromasin ED to wake up your balls which in turn will start producing lh/fsh. Taking an ai during the blast will help the hcg to do its job. If you decide to try this approach you will also need to take another blood test once you are done with day 5 of hcg the purpose of this is to check if the hcg has succeeded in raising your lh/fsh levels if so you will continue as planned and start your pct 35 days clomid 50mg twice a day and 45 days nolva 20mg twice a day in addition to aromasin 12.5mg EOD for 45 days. Then you do bloods 7-8 weeks later to see if everything is back to normal. Today is the tenth day of my pct after the hcg blast and i feel great workouts are amazing and my libido is insane once again no problems whatsoever no anxiety heart rare is normal and my sex drive is back to normal without any problems and thus i am assuming that the protocol is doing its job for me.

Also no research chems of any kind all the items in your pct need to be pharma grade to ensure success.
Good Luck.

sheriff.banana's picture

Thanks for the advise, I'm glad things are working out for you. This is similar to Dr. Scally's Power PCT, which I've been reading about.

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I should have been more clear on what I would like help with. The breathing issues are pretty much gone, the anxiety comes back every few weeks or so, m.y guess is it's probably from a rise in E in combination with low T.

Does anyone have suggestions as to getting my test up?

giardap's picture

Check my forum on doing just that. Might help

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I seem to feel fine for a week or two, then the anxiety/depression come back pretty strong. Whenever I start to feel normal, I get pressure headaches like I'm dehydrated.
This week has been pretty rough because a raccoon got into my house Monday and that ordeal screwed up my sleep schedule. I'm tired all day, then once I lay down I pass out and wake up an hour or two later. I'm sleeping, but it seems like I'm hearing my thoughts during my sleep.
Does anyone have any suggestions or experience with this? My test is low, E is high. Nolvadex? AI? Proviron? HCG followed by PCT? See an endocrinologist?

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kibby's picture

Sorry mate was just wanting to know how your getting on??

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Oh, thanks. The anxiety has chilled out since my workout today. I'm attributing it to low test and high e. I've been looking into triptorelin and other PCT options to jump back on, but I'd like a better source. Haven't had much of an appetite or libido.

kibby's picture

Did you try anything I suggested previously??

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I've been off any kinds of stimulants and trying to curb my eating when my appetite goes up. During these anxiety stages, my appetite is already gone. GABA on the first night makes me sleep like a rock, but after using it a couple times, it slows my breathing and makes me uncomfortable. I may try thiamine.

kibby's picture

I guarantee you your breathing symptoms are stricly down to anxiety otherwise you would have them 24/7 if it was a medical problem

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Oh, I think you're absolutely right. I'm now hoping to get advice on restoring my HPTA effectively without bringing back my anxiety.

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UPDATE: FOLLOW UP BLOOD PANEL 2 months after first test
I got back on clomid when I started feeling better, anxiety creeped back, so I stopped. Been taking herbal test boosters and did a 2 week course of D-aspartic acid to try to help symptoms.
I was feeling good for a few weeks, had nighttime erections and morning wood, everything seemed alright.
I got sick, but generally felt ok.
Then I tried red light therapy and I think I cooked my balls or something. I also took pseudoephedrine for my nose/sinuses and my anxiety returned a little, I think as a direct result. My morning wood was gone and erections in general were lackluster, lost my appetite, and my balls seemed smaller and stayed awkwardly close to my body for a week. That whole area was generally shriveled. Stupid idea.
I haven't had caffeine in about two months. I still crave it and I get headaches very often.

Doc didn't redo LH/FSH, but I imagine they're low-normal, like my test/free test, since the clomid has cleared from my system.

Compound........................................Value...........................Normal Range..............Flag
Total Testosterone.............................379 ng/dL....................264 - 916 ng/dL
Free Testosterone(Direct).................9.4 pg/mL....................8.7 - 25.1 pg/mL
MH Estradiol.....................................<33.9 pg/mL..................7.6 - 42.6 pg/mL
Prolactin...........................................14.9 ng/mL.....................4.0 - 15.2 ng/mL

I feel ok, but I don't feel completely normal. I may still just be shook from the whole experience. I want to lower prolactin and get test/free test back up. Mainly lower prolactin because I've noticed my chest seems bigger, and not in a muscular way. I picked up some herbal stuff to try out.

I'm considering low dose nolva (10mg/day) for a couple weeks to lower prolactin (doesn't seem high enough to warrant caber) and help test climb back up some. Any thoughts on this?

Makwa's picture

Here are some things to try to bump up your free test

https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/natural-routes-to-lowe...

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UPDATE: BLOOD PANEL
Here are the results of the blood test. I was convinced my E2 was going to be crazy high, but it was practically nonexistent. Do the SERMs affect the validity of the results, if so, how are they likely to be skewed?
Dr. Still thinks everything was attributed to anxiety rather than E2 and would like to follow up in about a week.
Lipids are fucked up, they never have been, before. Sticking to my daily krill oil and I've been taking in more olive oil in my diet.

Compound........................................Value...........................Normal Range..............Flag
Cholesterol, Total.............................175 mg/dL...................100 - 199 mg/dL
Triglyceride.......................................74 mg/dL.....................0 - 149 mg/dL
MH HDL CHOLESTEROL................32 mg/dL.....................>39 mg/dL....................Low
VLDL Cholesterol.............................15 mg/dL.....................5 - 40 mg/dL
LDL Cholesterol Total.......................128 mg/dL...................0 - 99 mg/dL.................High
Hemoglobin A1C...............................5.3 %..........................4.8 - 5.6 %
Luteinizing Hormone.........................4.1 mIU/mL.................1.7 - 8.6 mIU/mL
Follicle Stimulating Hormone............4.6 mIU/mL.................2.0 - 9.2mIU/mL
MH Estradiol.....................................<5.0 pg/mL..................7.6 - 42.6 pg/mL...........Low
Total Testosterone.............................474 ng/dL....................264 - 916 ng/dL
Free Testosterone(Direct).................9.3 pg/mL....................8.7 - 25.1 pg/mL

Any analyses or suggestions moving forward? Continuing the clomid at a low dose is all I can think of, but do my levels really warrant that, at this point? Aromasin seemed to really do its job, here.

Dacky's picture

Your E2 is crashed and his can lead to many of the symptoms you’ve described albeit you level of anxiety seems extreme even when you factor in potential side effects from the clomid and the research chems you’re taking.

If I were you I would stop taking the aro and the clomid in fact apart from natural supplements like the omega 3 etc I would take nothing. I’d keep my diet good and full of whole foods with plenty of good fats going in. Get some brisk walks outside if you can done each day and some nice low volume low intesntity training in. Use this time to just train and keep you mind focused and off your worries. Learn to meditate and practise mindfulness and go about your life. And most importantly stay off those fucking stimulants and no xanax. No alcohol no recreational drugs.

You may experience a dip in libido and motivation again but don’t panic....realise this is a normal part of recovery and go with it....again just carry on with your life etc.

Wait 8 weeks and do these blood tests again and report back here!

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Thanks for the reply. I think the withdrawal from caffeine and stimulants also plays a big factor in my mood. I've taken time off caffeine before, my mood and libido tend to suffer from the withdrawal.
My breathing has improved, for the most part. Still comes and goes, but not to any crazy extent.
Definitely staying away from the xanax/alcohol/anything else. Fortunately those have never been a big part of my life.
I'm almost 2 weeks removed from stopping the research aroma and nolva. About 1 week from stopping the clomid.
Been light lifting since yesterday. Moderate weight, 5-8 reps, good amount of rest between sets. I'll be easing back into my jiu jitsu training.
I think libido will be the last thing to come back, just based on how this has affected my mood and confidence.
I think I'll be reporting back 8 weeks from this first blood test.

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Yes it seems to me you have substance induced anxiety likely from stimulant withdrawal exacerbated by low T post cycle and complicated by harsh side effects of clomid and the research chems then made worse by you crashing your E2 with aromasin. There is a lesson in all that and I am pretty sure steroids are not for you.

Anyway good luck with the recovery and do check back here with your results in 8 weeks.

kibby's picture

Ditch any caffeine
Xanax
Opiom based meds of ANY KIND!!!
This is basicly backlash anxiety from the medication

When you feel you can't breath first things first remember.....its your body YOUR in charge!!!!

Put your lips together as if you are going to whistle and breath in deep and then out.....slow and controlled.
This will make your lungs feel full of air and take away the panic.

One more thing that triggers anxiety is eating to much as it pushes on the enteric nervous system basicly causing panic attacks which mimic heart attacks causing you more stress.

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Thank you, I'll try that method next time I'm having that issue. I didn't know that about eating too much.
What medication do you think is causing the backlash anxiety? Test or stimulants?

I've dropped caffeine completely, for now. Are you saying to ditch the xanax, too? I don't mess with opiates, they make my breathing difficult.

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Xanax is probably one of the worst drugs in the world to increase anxiety my freind. It's just a side affect and unavoidable.

Stimulants definitely increase your anxiety.....some steroids will also just try to stick to compounds that are high anabolic/low andregenic.

If you can ditch the pills and do some reasearch on theses supplements........

Cortisol support
GABA
CBD OIL

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Xanax worked especially well on me. .125mg was enough to get me to fall asleep. Now I don't really need it at all.
I've had some experience with GABA, it gave me crazy dreams and slowed my breathing some.
I'll check out what CBD oil has to offer.
Thank you

kibby's picture

I mean when it's time to stop taking it......while you have a constant supply in your system you won't suffer from anxiety bro. It's the after effects you need to worry about.

Don't forget to look into cortisol support (highly recommended).

Let me know if you need a link for CBD OIL. You can get the oil for under your tongue or you can get some for an e-cig

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UPDATE: FRIDAY
I wasn't going to update til I got my bloodwork back, but I've felt slow, steady improvement since Wednesday. Less anxiety, less depression, little to no breathing issues as of today. Didn't need a xanax to fall asleep last night.
I even worked out and felt ok, whereas I felt miserable during and after my last workout, a week ago. I kept it light and low rep, nowhere near high intensity.
Some morning wood, but nothing much else, no libido.
I'm anticipating low test and high e2 when I get my bloods back. Would it be worth it to get back on 25mg clomid for a few weeks? The other stuff I have is research chem.
Considering a marked improvement in only a week, that should mean I wasn't having sides from the clomid, but from low test, coming off stims, and the research nolva/aromasin, right? I'll post my bloods when I get them.

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UPDATE:
Tuesday.
My breathing went back to not so great, but still better than before Saturday.
Went to the doctor, he said it could very well be anxiety causing the breathing issues, that seems to be everyone's main guess. He seemed a little confused as to why I was put on prednisone.
He said a little caffeine would be alright for my mood and not worsen my anxiety, so I took 50-60mg caffeine broke a 200mg into 4 pieces) around 1.
It's 4 and I feel a little more alert, a little warmer, and a little more upbeat, nothing crazy. I can't tell if my chest feels lighter or heavier, but it's a little easier to force my breaths to feel more satisfying. Hoping a crash will help me sleep better later.
Still off Clomid.
I weighed 236, down 8lbs from Saturday. Appetite is back to meh.
Had blood taken for Test, free test, LH/FSH, E2, and basically ran it all under a "checkup".
I've had a couple bouts of angry/sarcastic thoughts, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Would anyone who has experienced this, please chime in on how long it took to breathe better, if not feel better? I don't really care about retaining muscle at this point, just about breathing normal.

Is there anybody else who has experienced breathing problems from Clomid? Were you treated for them, how long did they last?

Is this the reason some guys jump back on gear? Would it be unwise to get back on and taper down? Would I just end up having to go through this, again?

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UPDATE:
Midnight Tuesday morning- I was feeling relaxed and confident in my breathing all day until laying down for bed. Since I havent been training at all, I haven't been tired. Just took half a xanax.
My appetite even came back some, today.
I had a headache around 10 so I drank some extra water around 1030 with my prednisone dose. Headache is gone, breathing problems are back.

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UPDATE #2 Blood Test Results
The following are from the blood tests at the hospital:

Value Standard Range

Free T4 1.20 ng/dL 0.78 - 2.19 ng/dL
D-Dimer, Quant (FEU) 0.21 ug/mLFEU 0.00 - 0.50 ug/mLFEU
Cortisol 8.13 mcg/dL Not specified
TSH 1.50 UIU/mL 0.47 - 4.68 UIU/mL
NT-proBNP 20.6 pg/mL <=450 pg/mL
CKMB 2.34 ng/mL <2.40 ng/mL
Total CK 365 U/L 55 - 170 U/L High
Troponin I <0.012 ng/mL <0.034 ng/mL
Protime 14.0 sec 11.3 - 14.7 sec
INR 1.1 INR 0.9 - 1.2 INR

Nothing was out of range except total Creatine Kinase, which was high.
Free T4 and TSH are on the low end of normal
Cortisol normal range was not specified, but a quick google search showed these as normal values, and I was tested around 6-7PM:
Morning - 7-28 μg/dL
Afternoon - 2-18 μg/dL
Stimulated* - ≥ 18 μg/dl *When stimulated by ACTH
Suppressed** - < 2 μg/dl **When suppressed by dexamethasone
To my understanding though, cortisol issues arise from a poor ratio of cortisol:testosterone, not necessarily from being out of range. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I probably am.
I'll request a hormone panel at the doc tomorrow, Free/Total Test, Estradiol, LH/FSH, any other suggestions? Prolactin? T3?

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MONDAY UPDATE:
Thank you all for your feedback, so far, it's been helpful. The prednisone seems to have helped, a little bit. I took a Xanax and was able to sleep through most of the night and stay calm when the breathing was an issue. Lying prone throughout the night helped, but the breathing has still been an issue. I scheduled a a dr appointment for tomorrow to follow up and get a hormone panel done.
Since no fluid was found in my lungs and my heart seemed to be just fine, I think I can rule out orthopnea, although I am heavier than I've ever been.
As far as the doctor, I'm going to be as open as possible, so as not to rule anything out.
Any other suggestions about what to tell or request from the doctor are appreciated.

At this point, I'm ok with losing muscle, I'm ok with taking longer to recover to normal Test levels, I just want to be able to breathe and train. After all, I'm only 30, right?

RangerVet's picture

The prednisone will help you by the the time it's done.
Stop speeding up your body with stimulants. I don't care what dose. Stop that crap and take a break for months. Coffee is ok. Don't do another stimulant. Your anxiety will be helped by no stimulants. Your lungs are like because of your excess use age. Your are playing games with your heart lunch GS and we'll being. Figure out a better alternative

sheriff.banana's picture

Thank you, Ranger

I'm off them, and I'll be staying off them. My friend is telling me that he went through the same situation getting off pain killers

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That's great to hear! You can't speed up your system for prolonged periods. You have to keep that body for possibly 70 more years. You only got one. Be careful be smart and that's why we all are here. To learn better ways of doing certain things. Keep us updated and pm me if you need further advice.

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Your Adrenal Glands might be shot. Check into adrenal fatigue especially being a heavy stim user. I use adrenal restore and I have no come downs, headaches or any withdraw symptoms with that supplement. Give it a look. Let us know and be easy brother - BG

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I think that is a definite possibility and I think that's what's the prednisone was designed to help with. I'll look into that. Thanks

GYM SUPPS's picture

Hello Sir,

I hope you're feeling better by now. I would like to add something from my experience. The breathing problems that you described that are similar to asthma attacks can be caused by excessive and prolonged use of Ephidrine as that is one of the side effects. Dosages have to be very high to develop this condition though.
I have seen it before when one of the athletes developed these symptoms and Doctor made a conclusion that it is caused by excessive use of Ephidrine. I am not sure what was the treatment as I haven't meant this athlete since.
Not sure if this is going to help but I thought it may guide you the right way Sir.

Regards

sheriff.banana's picture

Thanks for your input. I've also taken clen in the past. If there's any way you could follow up with them and find out about that situation, I'd be infinitely grateful.

Additionally, while my usage of stimulants was prolonged, it was never excessive in quantity. I always followed the dosage instructions.

Blazinghost's picture

These guys have covered just about everything as always. Relax the best you can try to keep the anxiety down. Easier said than done sometimes for sure but that part of it is all in your head. Just focus on the good going on and breathe man. I hope you get it all figured out shortly. Good luck my man.

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Thanks, Blazing. I gave in and took a Xanax yesterday evening. It seemed to help a lot.

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Thanks, man, I really appreciate that. I'm hanging in there.

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Interested to see your labs and what this “adrenal crisis” might be. You’re describing orthopnea to some degree, which with your stats wouldn’t surprise me because you’re a big guy at 5’10 and 244lbs.

Definitely listen to your docs and follow up with them to continue to monitor the progression of this. Assuming many of those tests were normal since they chose not to CTA your chest.

It’s Hard to follow in your description how long you were actually on your PCT... it looks like you originally posted the typical protocol in weeks but then gave us a Day by day breakdown? So you were only on your PCT for a week before all this happened and then stopped?

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Switch, I posted an update with the lab results from the hospital, if you're still interested in taking a look.
Thanks

sheriff.banana's picture

I have gained a bit of weight from this cycle. I was About 230-235 earlier last year. Still big for my height. No red flags on my tests.

Yes, you understood correctly. My protocol was listed in weeks. What I actually consumed was listed in days. I only made it through Wednesday, then some clomid again Friday and Saturday.

333's picture

Your blood pressure is most likely up because of anxiety when I have bad anxiety mine goes up to 180/113 on average but once I calm down in a relaxed environment it goes back to 120/88 on average also never check blood pressure on right arm it only will get a correct reading on left arm make sure you sit for 10 minutes before you check as well legs uncrossed back strait arm up level with your heart best to do it at a table with a chair not on the couch. Go get bloods done and look at e2 if it's high you are holding water around your lungs that will make breathing harder

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I'll keep that in mind next time I check. Any recommendations on how to get those bloods done asap?

333's picture

Well if you have a good doctor I would call him/her at there office and ask to refer you to get bloods done from a phlebotomist asap. If they say they want to make a appointment first then ask for one asap when you sound serious they will fit you in next day don't let them dick you around your paying them your doing them a favor. If you don't have a cool doctor go into a walk in clinic and tell them you need a full panel blood test done they will refer you same day and then you can get results pretty quick

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Ok, I'll try that out. If my E2 is high, what will they do? Or is it up to me at that point to get back on aromasin?

Also, how urgent is this? Everything is closed right now

333's picture

Don't stress over it just when you can but sooner is always better

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Only advice I can give you is to be careful with xanax , I've been addicted to xanax before and its hell when you stop taking it , because of its short half life people tend to redose during the day and your tolerance will build rapidly and you'll be addicted before you know it so be careful .