TNE in combination with Test E in a cycle?
I know this subject is a little confusing, so let me try to explain my question...
I cycle Tren/EQ/Test, with a ratio of ~ 450-500 Tren A / 900 EQ/ 250 Test E per week...
I always try to keep my Tren / Test ratio to ~ 2 to 1 (Through a lot of experience, as well as many articles I have read, this seems to provide me the best gains)...
So here is my question... I have recently fallen in love with TNE, which I pin at 75-100 EOD pre-workout...
Since I have started the TNE, I have stopped pinning the Test E @ 250/wk...
So I am hoping for some advice on whether I need to continue pinning the Test E, or will the additional TNE throw off my ratio?
Since the TNE obviously has no Ester, it has a very short half life (I believe ~ 4 - 8 hours?)
Can I pin the Test E (once a week) and the TNE pre-workout without causing receptor issues?
I sure do love the TNE, and I don't want to give it up, so any advice will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance everyone!
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Your using low test so just like I said, destroy the ratio and have issues!
Either use *small accurate doses each week or use only on rare occasions up to 100mg!
(*Small as in 25mg up to 50mg TNE)
I hear ya bro! And I agree! I have found in the past that if I let my ratio get out of whack, I quickly stop seeing any gains and I get rather lethargic... (Strange huh?)
Thanks for the input my brother!
TNE IS great stuff! Just watch the ability to through your levels out of wack fast and sides come from the fluctuations!
Use sparingly !
That's IMO
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Buildbigger86my dude i am just about to start my cycle running
1 test Cyp 400-600 MG A WEEK
EQ CYP 300MG A WEK
TEST Eth HG 250MG A WEEK
TNE HG 1/2 CC 90 MINS BEFORE WORKOUT ed
PRIMO ETH 200 hg 600 mg a week
Awesome... Sounds like a serious cycle... I'm curious, is this intended to be more of a LBM cycle or more bulk? I guess it could be either, depending on your corresponding diet!
I personally have never tried 1-test-cyp, but from everything I've heard it's bad assed!
Good luck, and keep us apprised of results!
I think you'd still want to have a stable level of test just for for normal function. TNE won't provide that unless you want to pin a lot. Having said that, if you pin TNE I think it's going to effect your tren/test ratio and will cause receptor issues as you say. Aromatization, which is why the side occur as I understand, depends on the individual; e.g. body fat, aromataze enyzmes in the body, and total test in the body. TNE would increase the amount of test. Although TNE may leave quickly (I don't think it leaves that quickly, but that's another topic) you'd still have the long esters that could aromatize. The EQ in this cycle would add slightly to the aromatization as well. I could be full of it, but this is some stuff I'd seen in my bloodwork using TNE.
Maybe the better strategy, which one our members pointed out would be to pin the long ester to stabilize blood levels (pinning once a week won't be as stable). Then nail in the AI dosage needed during the cycle, assuming you're not one of those dudes that doesn't bother to use unless necessary. Once that's done then use TNE as desired and up the AI as needed (depending sides) from baseline usage. You'd have to wait a little longer to use TNE, but you'd have things dialed in better.
You understand my concerns exactly! And I have arrived at somewhat an impasse :( i do intend to still pin the Test E at 250/wk)... However, I have fallen in love with pinning the TNE pre-workout! Nothing else I have tried has ever compared to that extra blast I get in my workouts!
On top of this, I don't ever plan on pinning TNE every day! I struggle with PIP everywhere but my glutes, and I have resorted to heating the barrel every time I pin... It would be just too much of an effort to pin the TNE every day...
I was mostly concerned about the receptor issue, but you are also correct as well about the aromatization, I'm not really concerned though, as I take .5 adex e3d and .25 caber e3d as well as 200 iu hcg e3d.... (I have experimented quite a bit and this seems to be the best AI combination for me thus far)...
I would like to thank you for the intelligent, articulate well thought out post! I appreciate that you took the time to respond!
Well thank you. hopefully someone else chimes in to help resolve your dilemma. Seeing as you have experience and would like a pwo kick, you might also investigate tren base as pwo, if using tren. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT, but that it's tren w/o an ester and can be used as pwo and it's hard to find. There are very experienced people here who have used. I'm guessing you might be able to create a blend of tne/tren base to maintain a 2/1 ratio or just tren base alone to increase temporarily increase tren to test ratio. I'd imagine there's increased risks as well and uncertain if this would be an alternative that would work for you. Good luck.
Very Interesting idea.... I'll give it some thought.... Thanks for the post
Buildbigger86YES YOU STILL MUST CONTINUE TO POST THE TEST ETH BRO. Tne is for a pre workout and it only have an active life of 5-6 hours. So unless you want to pin tne 4 times a day to keep levels normal you need to run test eth..
Also thinking of it i dont think would be ever able to to sleep in pinned the all through out out the day lol
oh, btw... Thanks for the post.... This is pretty much the conclusion at which I have arrived, based on some other info as well... I'm just really picky about my tren/test ratio....
So, thanks again Buildbigger!
Buildbigger86My pleasure!
lol I agree....
I much prefer long esthers and pinning only once a week, but damn I love this TNE!
Buildbigger86Oh dont get me wrong my friend in 3 weeks i start my summer cycle and i am running primo eth 200, eq Cyp, 1- test cup, HG TEST ETH 250, And last 6 weeks of cycle run Mast prop to get that nice hardness!!!!
RustyhookerAfter reading this post and your other post it sounds like you have no real experience with proper cycles.
Stats....priors...current cycle.
You would be mistaken sir...
I just felt that the details to my previous cycles would be unnecessary for this conversation...
stat's? Not sure why you feel that is needed, but here goes...
5'9", 218 - ~ 13% bf
I've been training probably since before you were born, I'm 48 and competed heavily almost 30 years ago. I won two BB competitions back to back in 1986, and another in 1987. I no longer compete, but I'm one bad ass 48 year old builder! ;)
I'm currently running my 4th Tren/Test/EQ/hgh cycle....
The fact is, the only compound which is new to me is the TNE. The reason I posted here, is that I am extremely careful about my compound ratios, and I absolutely love the TNE pre-workout!
I just want verification from someone in the know, who can tell me if the TNE is going to throw off my ratio....
Thanks in advance....
Oh, and BTW rusty, you possibly shouldn't jump so quickly to conclusions without first gathering more information?
RustyhookerOkay old timer....im a young lil shit. Lol! 42. Yup was sponsored for bbuilding at 20.
Maybe you should just work with the forum helpers instead of complaining.
Its all pertinent. From one old fart to another......
lol... trust me... in 6 years, you will feel like 42 was young! I'd give anything to have those 6 years back!
Glad to hear you have a background as well, I never criticized you, or your experience level...
I just simply stated that you possibly shouldn't be so hasty in passing judgement?
lol and again, I'm complaining about nothing... Just making an observation...
RustyhookerGlad you're still gettin it! It's good to see folks follow a lifetime goal.
No worries. It's standard questions on eroids. We get a lit if 18year olds doing tren first cycle without any precautions. If we give blank info it just hurts them.
Mast prop/mast e won't boost appetite. It doesnt for me and its quickly becomming a favorite roid. Blocks estro and i drop fat/harden quickly.
Var is great at lowering the hunger boost from eq. Levels you out. Adds a big boost in strength as well. Just gotta keep an eye on drying out too much.
Have a great day!
waltrsomeone else might correct this cause i could quite possibly be wrong, but i believe tne is out of your system the same day it goes in, so if you were to pin it eod you'd have test in there 1 day and the next day you wouldn't have any.
i am not to go to on advice for this though.
Buildbigger86Sir, i am not trying to be rude or stir up anything with you. It is very impressive with all your accomplishment 's you have made in the BB world and i respect you for that. But in defense of Rusty he is a very knowledgeable member and does really know what he is speaking about. Again i am not trying to come across disrespectful in any way. It wanted to say that Rusty is a stand up guy who has a lot of knowledge to offer.
lol... well, thanks bro, but my accomplishments are ancient history...
The point I was trying to make to Rusty, is how could he judge my experience level based on a single simple question I posted?
I was simply mentioning to him that maybe it would make a little sense to not jump so quickly to judgement without first gleaning a little more info?
Buildbigger86To be honest with you, this is a bit of an unusual post for us in the sense that hundreds of forums are posted up daily and their are many members who are new to site or new to AAS'S and post a forum topic like "
running tren ace/deca/masteron/ test Cyp brotha's.
But the thing is most of the time these are like 18-20 year old kids who really have none to little knowledge about AAS'S and they dont realize the health risks involved, the proper way to even run a cycle, the correct dosages to take etc...
So it is has been protocol for us to ask person who posted in forum their stat's, their experiences with AAS'S, how many cycles they have run, what compounds they have run etc...
We do this to first off not to give advice on how to run a cycle like i mentioned above to a 20 year old kid who needs to do much much more reading before he even think's of starting AAS'S. Basically we do not try to give advice without knowing information on the person because if we just gave it to them and kid is 20 and dies because he wasn't ready to run those compounds. We sadly actually had a situation like occur already. So dont take it like people are jumping down your throat it is that they general and truly care and would like to help you as much as they possibly can. Ya follow what i am saying my friend.
Gotcha... No worries my big buff brothers! (and sisters!) ;)
I would like to thank everyone for taking their time to post and help out!
I'm actually not totally new to this site either, I've been using it since Nov, and I'm a regular customer of Muta M...
I just don't spend a lot of time on here, which is why I have no karma...
One thing I am curious about however, is, is there a way to search the forums? If I could figure out how to do a search of the forums, I might have found the answer I was looking for without having to post?
By the way, I personally think it's a huge waste for kid in their 20's producing tons of Test and growth, to supplement... I myself, didn't begin experimenting with gear until about 6 years ago, once my body stopped producing!
Now I take hgh and test full time, and I cycle with additional supplements twice a year (stronger stuff):)...
I'm actually bigger now than when I was a young kid on the stage! (since I was natural when I competed)
Buildbigger86PM me and i will help you with every you need. 1 thing please do not name sources on forums mods bug it is against the rules my man.
Also for have such a good attitude and thank you for thank you
Plus 1 from me
waltrsee the magnifying glass at the top of the screen?
that's the search function
Sweet! lmao, I have no idea how in more than 6 months on this site, I missed that! hahaha
Thanks brother!
AnonI don't see why you couldn't pin test e once a week.blood levels won't be as stable as twice a week but you will still have it in your system Just make sure you don't cut the test e out comepletely because tne has such a short half life. I would imagine you would have to pin it 2 or 3 times a day if you were using only tne
Actually, I pin the TNE only 1 hour pre-workout 3 to 4 times a week...
The Test E I have bin pinning @ 250 once per week....
My concern would be if the additional TNE would throw off my ratio and cause me receptor issues from too much Test...