posted Mon, 08/26/2013 - 05:14
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-6 Would like some EXPERIENCED EXPERT help on getting my PRO CARD!!!
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Im currently 3 weeks into my pct. I will be getting bloods done in about 4 weeks, and will want to continue another cycle. At the moment Im trying to get my IFBB or NPC pro card. I would like to hear some peoples experiences and results. Before and afters of My previous cycle are below. I went from around 170lbs 10-12% bf to as of today 10-12%bf at 203.
The cycle was a 14 week cycle.
The cycle planning is still in progress. So if you could share your opinions experiences and results on ur cycles that would be awesome. I know its not ganna happen overnight and im willing to do kill myself for it and would like all the help I can get to get that pro card!
| Week | Testosterone E/ Sustanon | Tren | Proviron |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600mg | 400mg | |
| 2 | 600mg | 400mg | 350mg |
| 3 | 600mg | 400mg | 350mg |
| 4 | 600mg | 400mg | 350mg |
| 5 | 600mg | 400mg | 350mg |
| 6 | 600mg | 400mg | 350mg |
| 7 | 600mg | 400mg | |
| 8 | 600mg | 400mg | |
| 9 | 600mg | 400mg | |
| 10 | 600mg | 400mg | |
| 11 | 600mg | ||
| 12 | 600mg | ||
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| 17 |
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BigBmajWow he really looked great back then. Much better than now, in my opinion.
FoolMeOnceI agree and disagree. I personally dont think that muscles shape and size are predisposed. Thats determined off your training style, how frequently you hit a certain muscle and a certain area of that muscle. Why else would you see guys with huge upper boddies and small legs? Arms for example. The reason kais bicep peaks are greater to phil heaths peak is because he emphasized his training more on the brachii short muscle. The "inner head" Where as phil emphasized more on the brachii long head which giving him more of that massive brachialis. This is just my educated opinion.
Anonnow you're arguing on the scientific level. Your cells can only expand so much, and your biceps will only get so big - its predisposed entirely.
Phil/Kai - you gotta start talking about Slin, IGF, HGH, Synthol use
FoolMeOnceYes thats very true when it comes to terms of naturals. Your natural genetics will only take you so far. But how do we know for sure that once anabolics are administered that limit still exists? We can only theorize about this. Or I could be wrong and there could be studies getting in depth about this but I havent seen or searched for any.
AnonYou'll see bro.. just keep in mind you've already played with the top notch steroid. So what happens if you go back to a simple test only cycle? you'll gain 3 pounds? I dont believe a limit exists per se, because you have guys like Dennis wolf who weigh 380 pounds in the off season.. mind you, AGAIN - we're talking outrageous dosages of HGH, IGF, SLIN etc. Which here comes another big factor.. MONEY Do you have $150 a day to drop on HGH.. because thats ballpark what some of these pros are spending. That isn't even touching everything else.. ten thousand a month? What im trying to get at is, you won't be able to run tren for the next 7 years and get a pro card, its not as easy as that or everyone would have one. Things start to become less receptive and your body will need more and more and more to a point where the axis isn't even half utilizing the 5G of TEST you're pumping into it.. at this point, you'll be tiptoeing with circulatory issues, respiratory, kidney failure, liver damage depends how bad you want it. Although you may ALWAYS be able to pump something into your body to make you pack on pounds of muscle like cattle, your body wont support it.. we weren't meant to be that big, and eventually it'll slow degrade your health.
FoolMeOnceIm just curious. How do anabolics affect your respiratory system? Guys like phil heath and kai green are healthy as you or I. You dont think those guys are getting checked out by doctors atleast every other month?
Getting more blood work than a race horse !
FoolMeOnceYea my point exactly. These are top level athletes that are pumping themselves with anabolics. Money is no issue for most of them, and they have to be getting bloods and check ups constantly. And yes glory can give people tunnel vision, but these guys arent dumb enough to risk their lives for it.
ever hear a fat guy walking down the side walk? like he said our bodies are not meant to carry that much weight. you are being naive if you think you are going to get up there on stage and be in the top 5 without health problems. do i care about health problems... no , but it's something you should think about. also do you really think that kai green's slin gut is healthy.lol oh and ronnie took bp meds. is this heathly?
FoolMeOnceIm not a fan of GH. Im only going to use gh simulators at moderate dosages and see how far I can get(cjc-1295, with Huperzine A). And anyone on high doses of gear is ganna need bp meds thats a given. Also I cant imagine that kais gh gut is doing him any good, on the other hand phil heath has no gh gut, and you guys cant say oh hes the gift thats his amazing genetics. Its likely phil did his transformation on moderate gh with a lot of gear. Mainly tren. lol But were not doctors we cant trully say if their killing themselves. Thats between them and their doctors, they're not going to reveal that info to us. At the moment we can infer from what we hear, but for the most part we can only theorize. Id like to think I can do this without any gh, and just gh simulators. Considering some of these top guys do have very slim mid sections its pluasable. Im not going to let what some guys claim deter me from doing this my way.
Also can you please explain how aas affects our respiratory system. Because "ever hear a fat guy walking down the street" didnt help me lol
by putting on massive amounts of weight you are putting a strain on your heart and respiratory system. just like the fat guy reference. that's just the weight that will do this. then you add massive amounts of steroids dht derived steriods for long periods of time is not healthy for your prostate. oral steroids are not good for your liver and lipid levels(which will affect your heart). tren gives you tren cough so i'm guessing in the long run it can't be good for you. not to mention tren has been know to put people in the hospital for kidney failure. i'm not going to get in to hgh or slin. this is just to put on the mass, it doesn't even cover the contest prep... guys falling out on stage because they are dehydrated. it goes on and on. i'm not saying you can't do it. i'm just saying to think about the long run. the guys at the top that have been there the longest play it smart so should you. don't start out of the gate using tren where will you go from there? use just enough to get the results. use food for you mass gains.
FoolMeOnceOk I see. And never got tren cough through 2 cycles of it. Im just very careful when pinning. Also do you have or have you read any articles on injectable tren being bad for your liver? Also food will only take you so far. And guys who cut water pre contest are dumb, and were just to lazy to diet. Ive done 4 natural shows starting at age 16 and cut water for 3 of the shows. HUGE MISTAKE!
"don't start out of the gate using tren where will you go from there?" Are you guys claming that our bodies adapt to tren similar to the concept of clenbuterol? Im not to sure on that one, but I dont think its possible for the body to adapt to such a harsh drug within a few years.
Also check out Rich Piana when he was 20 yrs old !
Age,Height,ETC....... Goals other than your Pro Card ??
FoolMeOnceDont want to reveal my age for it is irrelevant and im 5'11.... Current goal is just my pro card n hopefully one day mr olympia. N yes i know ive got my work cut out for me
Your age is irrelevant ??? So I'm guessing your 53yrs old ? I'm out I tried !
safetyfirst2119 or 20
FoolMeOnceOk age is not irrelevant your right it is very important when determining dosages and compounds. Lets just say im under 25 years old.
Yea better up the dose as brambo said.
yea bro like cheat natue said. keep working hard your gonna need to put on about 100 pounds of muscle so keep eating cycling training hard and getting rest. repeat everyday for the next 10-20 years and you may have a shot bro.
FoolMeOnce100lbs of muscle will get me on that olympia stage! Ifbb pros around 5'11 are at about 250-270lbs shredded
How tall are you?
Great progress bro! Main thing is to take a proper approach. Don't cycle too big and eat properly and train properly. It will take 10-20 yrs of doing that properly to be an ifbb pro.
FoolMeOncePhil heath made mr olympia in 7 years let alone ifbb pro... Nothing is impossible.
True. It's possible. But he is a genetic freak lol. Keep working bro.
FoolMeOnce100% dedicated. Nutrition and training is on spot and is going to stay that way. IM HUNGRY!
haha are you joking.. ifbb pro card.. not in this live bro
FoolMeOnceIts "life" and i guess well see about that.
no matter.. no chance getting pro sorry