posted Fri, 09/20/2013 - 14:39
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
This is my 4th cycle.
Goal: gain 16lb of lean mass and drop bodyfat from 11% down to 10%
By the end of cycle (week #11 to be precise) I need my cardio back. I hope Tren Enan will stop messing with my lungs by then.
Here is gear pic for this cycle: http://www.eroids.com/pics/gear-for-my-upcoming-cycle
| Week | Sust | Test Prop | Mast Enan | Mast Prop | Tren Ace | Tren Enan | Dbol | Tbol | TNE | HCG | Aromasin | Caber | Clomid/Nolva |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 250 (125 twice) | 300 (150 twice) | 400 (133 eod) | 50 ed | 50 pre-workaout | 25 ed | |||||||
| 2 | 250 (125 twice) | 300 (150 twice) | 400 (133 eod) | 50 ed | 50 pre-workaout | 25 ed | 0.25 e3d | ||||||
| 3 | 250 (125 twice) | 300 (150 twice) | 400 (133 eod) | 50 | 50 pre-workaout | 25 ed | 0.25 e3d | ||||||
| 4 | 250 (125 twice) | 300 (150 twice) | 200 (65) eod) | 250 (125 wice) | 50 | 50 pre-workaout | 25 ed | 0.25 e3d | |||||
| 5 | 250 (125 twice) | 300 (150 twice) | 200 (65) eod) | 250 (125 wice) | 50 pre-workaout | 250IU e3d | 25 ed | 0.25 e3d | |||||
| 6 | 250 (125 twice) | 300 (150 twice) | 500 (250 twice) | 50 pre-workaout | 250IU e3d | 25 ed | 0.25 e3d | ||||||
| 7 | 250 (125 twice) | 300 (150 twice) | 500 (250 twice) | 50 pre-workaout | 250IU e3d | 25 ed | 0.25 e3d | ||||||
| 8 | 250 (125 twice) | 300 (150 twice) | 500 (250 twice) | 50 pre-workaout | 250IU e3d | 25 ed | 0.25 e3d | ||||||
| 9 | 600 (150 eod) | 600 (150 eod) | 50 ed | 50 pre-workaout | 250IU e3d | 25 ed | 0.25 e3d | ||||||
| 10 | 600 (150 eod) | 600 (150 eod) | 50 ed | 50 pre-workaout | 250IU e3d | 25 ed | 0.25 e3d | ||||||
| 11 | 600 (150 eod) | 600 (150 eod) | 50 ed | 50 pre-workaout | 250IU e3d | 25 ed | |||||||
| 12 | 100 ed | 50 pre-workaout | |||||||||||
| 13 | 100/40 ed | ||||||||||||
| 14 | 100/40 ed | ||||||||||||
| 15 | 50/20 ed | ||||||||||||
| 16 | 50/20 ed |
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Take out individual difference and the arguable half-life of the ester, I won't get into metabolic clearance variance and carbon totals with you, and you would be somewhat accurate IF you shot 600mg all at once. I don't know how you got these numbers if you're proposing 600mg per week. 85mg/ed, 170mg/eod (roughly). Try out that calculator you spoke of on our back and forth about Sust and see if your number hold true for how you actually intended to run, even with the 600mg at once. If all you took away from my long post was something else to argue about, then I can't help you, yet.
Actually you are right ... but my supposition about 1 week for prop to clear still holds truth. I used wrong assumption in my calculations that 600mg of prop are shot all at once.
But If 150 is administered 4 times a week then there will be about 300mg in the body in esterefied form all the time and It still needs 5-6 days to drop bellow physiological level (rather than 8-9 days like in my original calculations).
I guess I can reply again. I'm less cranky from having just woke up and you also have a different tone, so we're getting somewhere. With 300mg of Test, your original timing of the 3 day half life, and the physiological levels of 150mg, you would be around this total at 3 days. I'd still aim around 1-3. 1 is too soon, 2 kinda, 3 perfect (technically speaking). With the short half life to consider once you start PCT your levels will continue to drop at an extraordinary rate. With the start of PCT after 1-2 days, you get a slight saturation/buildup of SERMs, which will allow them take effect the moment the body is ready.
waltrHe was going to point out that 600mg isn't 600mg due to the ester weight, but it's something you've gotta be really anal about to do all the math and figure out the "exact" mg quantity.
Mg for mg, it is not equal to 600mg. That wasn't my main point though. With real time dosing throughout the week; mg for mg per day, ed/eod doses and the clearance time before the following injection, you are getting far from 600mg at one time. This makes his numbers above far from accurate.
sure he did not mean that 600mg of prop is not dosed in 1 day. It is dosed out in several
If this is what he meant I don't know what to say since propionate ester constitutes only 16% of TestP compound and as you said the one gotta be really anal to take this into account.
PS: Sadly only you and Dossier31 gave valuable advises in this long thread.
I will not reply to you on this log anymore. I will accept a FR and PM with you if you wish, but I will not be taking the first step in sending either.
waltrI read through all of it and I don't personally think your cycle will be a waste, but there could be some things improved to make better use of the compounds you have currently and make those more effective.
Is money for the extra/different compounds an issue right now? If so the main thing I would adjust in the cycle is to try and get all the dosages as standard as possible throughout the cycle, i.e. start at the same dose I finish at.
Doss has a lwealth of knowledge about this PED/AAS game, he helped me plan out my very first cycle and since then I've been experimenting as my own personal drug test patient and soaking up all the knowledge I can find.
He will yield some result from the cycle shown, but it would be far from optimal. If one of my friends brought this idea to me, I would laugh. I've done this with cycle proposals before. Whats funny is the one friend who came to me with a borderline perfect cycle layout is afraid to pin. The ones with "great ideas" are ready to jab right now. He needs to change quite a few things and/or drop. He is trying to throw too many compounds together without getting the full value out of any of them, aside from maybe the Dbol.
waltrIt's essentially a Tren/Mast/Test cycle using different esters. If it wasmy cycle I'd probably run the compounds together (kick starting with the tren ace/mast prop) and focus on the enanthates for the long run, peak levels of the cycle. Either that or just run the short esters by themselves.
Money is not an issue. I don't mind changing cycle if I see good reason for that.
You suggested to bump sust dosage and run it at the same level through the cycle but I am afraid of bad sides caused by high test + tren combo that I heard about that is why I keep test relatively low while on tren. Though I agree with you that there is no reason to have different doses of mast in the first half and second. I will tweak cycle so that Mast dosage is the same through the cycle.
waltrI sent you a friend request can you send me a private message when you accept it?
I'll tell you about the last cycle I finished about a week ago of Sustanon/Parabolan and how everything went. I'd simply post it in here but I don't really want to post how much of each compound I was using and give some guy who stumbles in with no gear usage ever to read it and do what I did.
waltrThat information is incorrect and I'm not sure where you got it. Prop has a 24-48 hour half life depending on the individual taking the drug.
Starting PCT a couple days late isn't going to ruin your life though anyway.
As far as the cycle itself goes, if you do run this I would stay with consistant dosages for the Trenbolone Acetate and Trenbolone Enanthate. Starting at 400mg Tren A a week and dropping the dosage down as you transition into the Tren E would not be as beneficial to the cycle as just staying at 400mg and starting the Enan.
Same kind of scenario with the Masteron. Why run Mast E at 300/week and then finish the cycle with 600mg of Mast P? I would pick one dosage or the other and run both compounds at whichever you choose.
Same thing goes for when you start the Tren E, just knock it up to 500mg/week from the first week you inject it. There won't be any benefit to going 250/250/500. If you do run the cycle as you have it set up you could also the Tren Enanthaye for 1 more week (stopping after week 9 instead of 8) to try and get the most out of it.
If it's possible for you financially/gear wise I would just run the Acetate for 6-8 weeks and possibly extend it to 10 if things go well. Save the Tren Enan for another cycle if you've never ran Tren before. Personally I did not get any horrible side effects my first Trenbolone run, just some sweating and disrupted sleep patterns and some acid reflux everu now and then.
Be safe and work like a maniac if this ends up being a cycle that gets run.
Hope you can achieve your goals with this run.
you sir are full of shit
You sure you do not have some more shit laying around you can add to the cycle? Tren is an amazing idea for your 4th cycle(said no one that has any business saying anything).8 weeks of orals hell yeah thats what I am talking about.Why so low on the TNE?Nice aromasin dose. This cycle sucks so bad that you should be perm banned before you infect someone else.
Dossier +3 for trying.
lol
Ummm... I don't even know where to begin with this... What's you history again?
4 cycles
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Yes. What were they? I mean, I can kinda see the logic you followed when piecing this together. You want lean gains and these choices ideally carry those characteristics. But it's extremely excessive... Not to mention some of them don't jive. You don't need that much gear or that many compounds to reach that goal bro.
The idea is to run long esters of tren+test (trt dose) + dbol to gain mass
and finish cycle with short esters of mast + test + tbol
HGH will help to shed body fat
TNE is there just as pre-workout supplement. I just love the boost it gives me.
What compound you thought is not needed ? The only compound I think i can remove is mast but i want to keep it to be hard/lean in the end after I stop administering tren.
Idk about everyone else, but I leaned out nicely on hgh. But that was during my first attempt at pct so no gear. Once I added trt dose back, the water retention kicked in.
That dbol will make you strong but you're looking at temp gains, a lot of water retention, and increased estrogen synthesis.
Sustanon was originally manufactured to allow for less frequent injections for trt patients. But if you have any level of experience with it, as well as an understanding of esters and half lives, you'll see that a trt dose is extremely hard to obtain with sust. Fluctuations in hormone levels are way more sporadic with sust bro. Pick a single ester and roll with it.
Again, I understand your thought process here. Not knocking you but trying to help. There's better ways to get you where you wanna be bro.
Tell me what your last 4 cycles consisted of bro. And if you like, I'll make some suggestions. What you do with them is your business but I'm sure you'll be satisfied.
If dbol is used along with AI, it won't cause much bloat since it can convert to methyl-estradiol via aromatise pathway only.
As for sust, you might be right that testE is more straitforward solution but I don't get why would it be the case if sustanon-250 was developed specifically for achieving steady level. Can you elaborate why blend of esters in sust do not allow to achieve as steady level as testE ?
My last cycle:
1- 4 Dbol (50ed)
1-12 Sust (400)
1-12 EQ (600)
12-15 TestProp (700)
1-15 Examestane (25eod)
16-20 PCT
waltrSustanon was created to allow for sustained release of testosterone, not for "steady levels" that we look for to avoid fluctations and side effects in bodybuilding. As the esters drop off in sustanon the amount of testosterone in the system decreases, propionate gives a quick boost to the system and dropps off after a few days, phenylpropionate then "kicks in" to pick up where the acetate has dropped off. Next the iscqporate picks up ejere the phenylpropionate left off and finally the decanoate takes over last.
A lot of the benefits of Dbol come from the water retention it causes, taking the drug and trying to keep estro super low is counterproductive. By holding the extra water it enables the body to lift heavier weights, it's part of what gives the strength increase. The strength increase in turn puts more stress on the muscle fibers during the workouts and causes an improved level of damage to repair for the body which equates to growth.
take the tren e out and take d-bol out. your aromasin dose is to high. will comment later. you have some things to fix here.
d-bol is to kick start cycle. Also it has mythical synergy with 19-nors.
why to remove tren ? it's the whole point of this cycle to run tren.
Agree about aromasin but I would need to cut capsules in half if I want lower dose.
waltrSince they're capsules you could break them open and just divide the powder into 2 roughly equal piles and hope that the mixture was thoroughly homogenized when the manufacturer made them nut to be honest it's unlikely that it is due to there being fillers with the actual exemestane powder.
yes as a bulking agent. which is used with nandrolone deca not tren. if you want to get lean then d-bol wont did it for you. plus you already have another oral in the cycle. I said to remove tren e. most will only run tren a for 6-8 wks. you aren't even running the tren e through the whole cycle. are you? because the way you have the log set up it does not look that way. plus the doses you are using on most of the compounds are to high for what you are looking for. the way it's set up now it looks more like someone is letting the compounds to the work and not diet. then cut the pills in half.
From what I read dbol has synergy with any 19-nor not only deca). As for bloat, it does not cause bloat if aromatase inhibitor is administered. I use it as kick starter all the time along with AI.
As for tren e I don't have enough tren A to run it for 8 weeks. So when I run out of TrenA i just switch to TrenE. Total is 8weeks.
As for orals, I do not run 2 orals at the same time. One (dbol) is used in the begginign as a kick starter. Another (tbol) used to finish the cycle mainly to have high androgen level in the blood while I wait esters to clear.
As for total dosage. I am at 1200mg total per week. I always thought it's not high at all.
The logic on you esters is backwards homie. Idea is to pick a compound that carries the characteristics to match your goal. Then get the plasma levels up to an active level or above and maintain that level for the diration. Switching from shorts to longs will actually leave you with a gap so to speak as levels decline until the compounding effect of the long esters catch up.